hi, i mentioned a problem some time ago, which is really annoying for me, that is that if i open a patch, its size gets bigger by two pixels. (and also is opening with at least 247*46 pixel). this is destroying the positioning of objects of a graph on parent-window. ok some of my GOPs are intended to be smaller, so whenever i make a change within it, i have to correct the size in an editor... but there is also another problem: some of the objects are shifted by one pixel, which could be the result of a rounding-error... and i found that the gop-size properties are saved in a line like "#X coords 0 0 1 1 123 23 1;". but that doesnot fit together with the very first lin #N canvas ..." respectively if both values are equal, still the GOP doesnot look equal. thank you for your patience. marius.