2015-12-22 17:58 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com>:

I find Fred Jan's maintenance reasonable because sticking with current behavior means 0% of patches in
the wild will be negatively affected. There's the possibility that his maintenance hinders Max compatibility for future
patches, but this isn't something we can quantify.

There's a pretty straightforward and concrete example in discussion, so it's quantifiable and not a matter of possibility. It's not a hunch about future development, there's already a present issue regarding the improvement for porting patches between Pd and Max. More than that, opinions from maintenance have been stated that Max/Msp compatibility is not supposed to be a concern anymore...

If you have the opposite hunch then do some data mining so that we can have a more meaningful discussion.

You're basically just trying to share your opinion (over mine, by the way) that this should be the way to go... I think this is a meaningless discussion as it is. I have a perfectly good reason to appreciate and hope for the compatibility to Max/MSP in cyclone (being that its original purpose) - but in order to make a case against your opinion, you've provided an insane and unreasonable task...

And this is after me and others have suggested that this not about a dilema, that we could meet halfway, more than once... this is in fact the point of this thread, so this seems also like a pointless discussion to be raised in here.

cheers