On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 11:13 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 7/30/21 10:23, Roman Haefeli wrote:
Anyway, my impression is that someone installing JACK on macOS now is more likely to find JACK2 than JACK1.
i don't think so.
Ok. Where are you getting JACK for macOS from? Should we point Pd users to some specific resource to get JACK from so that it works with Pd?
afaict, the problem is rather how JACK2 ships the libraries. JACK1 shipped a framework that is used by Pd's build system. JACK2 does not ship such a framework and thus it can obviously not be found by Pd (resulting in no-jack-support).
My understanding (or rather: experience, I don't really understand the details) is that the framework isn't needed anymore.
so the bug could be considered to be in the JACK2 distribution package.
in the end it doesn't really matter against which JACK we are building.
My experience is this: When I download JACK from where I think I'm supposed to get JACK from, Pd from Miller's site doesn't talk to it. Maybe I'm doing something what a normal user wouldn't do, but I'd like to know what. Right now what is available isn't compatible.
what does matter however, is that JACK support in the *binary* is purely optional.
if your Pd version (that is built against JACK1) cannot find the running JACK2 server, this is unfortunate. but if your Pd version (that is built against JACK2) refuses to load on a system that doesn't have JACK installed (whatever version), i think this is much more serious.
Absolutely. However, my experience contradicts this.
Building a Pd.app like this:
./autogen.sh
./configure \
--enable-jack \
--disable-jack-framework
make -j
make app
creates a build that runs with:
- JACK1
- JACK2
- no JACK installed
This is on 10.15.7. I don't have access to other macOS versions right now and I fully support being cautious. But contrary to your statement that JACK1 is more 'compatible', the Pd.app I get from Miller's site doesn't run with JACK2, which I believe is what users normally install these days. The site http://www.jackosx.com mentioned in INSTALL.txt doesn't exist anymore.
I don't know how the official Ardour6.app is built, but it works with both JACK1 and JACK2, and also with no JACK installed (in case this has any relevance).
Roman