I totally agree with fbar on this. Reading Dr. Seuss before Thomas Pynchon is a must!
However, Pd-extended is a nice one to give people because it allows much more exploration of the Pdiverse.
I guess I think that the best approach is to give them Pd-extended, but only show the vanilla objects and documentation first. Then, after they are proficient with the basics, blow their minds with Gem, hid, Pduino, list-abs, rtc-lib, rradical, etc. That way they don't have to get scared of compiling stuff too early on, and can have a nice learning curve.
~Kyle
On 5/30/07, Frank Barknecht fbar@footils.org wrote:
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ideally, having the whole package doesn't get in the way of newbies starting out with the basics. If it does, that should be fixed. Once it is installed, then newbies can start to explore thru all the examples after the workshop and see where it leads them. That's a key part of my philosophy here: enabling the spirit of play and exploration.
I think, basically we aren't that far away from each other: The large number of examples in pd-extended of course is like a collection of texts for the students to study and learn from.
And of course in my workshops, I do use pd-extended, let alone because it's the only available collection of externals. (I still would like to have it a bit more customizable instead of being so monolithic, and I believe the help-files are too "chatty", but that's another story.)
But my main point is this: You can learn what [route] means, you can learn how [list prepend] works. But you only learn how to "speak" Pd as soon as you understand what this means:
"something" [0
| | [list prepend 2] | [route 0 1 2 3] | | | | |With pd-extended it's tempting to just use [demux 4] instead but then you wouldn't have gained a deeper understanding of the language, you would only know another word.
Ciao
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__
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