>> Disclaimer: I am aware that GEM does not run on 64 bit,

this is a whole new discussion we should start and after new pd release we should figure out how to go forward with this. as dan mentioned avfoundation osx framework plugin is 20% done. i have compiled a couple days ago and it DOES load a film but there is some kind of memory leak which crashes pd....

again.... we should start a separate list thread on this. maybe on gem-dev? 

>> Working on Pd the last couple weeks has been rewarding in providing usability improvements but, at this point, it feels like whack a mole & burn out. 

5 serious gold stars and a major round of applause... im sure there is no thanking enough on the great work...

m

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 6:30 AM, Derek Holzer via Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at> wrote:
Chiming in here as well. At least one factor instigating this current thread was me asking in the Facebook group if there is a simple, canonical way of installing GEM via deken.

Of note: every reply apart from Alexandre's told me I should install Extended, or install Purr Data, or copy the lib binaries from those into my course material, or use a live Linux distro, or use a preinstalled RasPi, or do every other crazy/complicated thing *besides* use deken. This is how the user community perceives the situation at this moment.

Disclaimer: I am aware that GEM does not run on 64 bit, and I could not use Extended because I required the [metro] object from Pd  >= 0.45

I just did a one day workshop last weekend, and after giving the participants pre-flight instructions on how to install GEM that worked fine for me, 10 out of 12 could not create the GEM objects.

If it's only a 5 hour workshop and you spend more than an hour dealing with each participant's individual system to install and config while the others sit around and wait, what this tells me is that the deken system might not be ready for prime time yet.

Alexandre's document is great, but new users will not read 14 pages to install libs they have never used before. I miss Extended for this ease-of-use terribly, and I wonder how after two decades of Pd these issues still haven't been addressed completely in a systematic way which allows people to simply install and go (as Extended did once upon a time).

I guess it's important to debate whether it's "correct" to allow Pd to create directories etc etc, but the real crash test should still be whether a classroom full of undergrad art students on mixed platforms, and who don't just-so-happen-to-have a background in CompSci as well, can get things up and running without stress.

Best Sunday wishes to all.
Derek

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