Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc.

# Of course we can understand that mail was a joke. But there are many kind of jokes, good ones, bad ones etc.. And joking by its own does not justifies the content.

Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what.

Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO.

# Thanks for the clarification. Capital letters revealed the true irony obscured by the complicated metaphor.

No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided.

Look.
We are all humans.
Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both)
Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages.
Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY?

That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND.

Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you.

# Underestimating the academia and intellectual work is being proud of the ignorance. I think, calling the previous emails about "such amazingly interesting topics" in this thread "lunacy" and your justification of the "joke" is worse than the joke itself.
# Being sensitive and thinking hard about whether the relative smallness of the female population is due to some inherent issues that we are not aware of and taking responsability is not something one can make mockery. This subject is not off topic but a part of computer music and pd community. And mocking about what people take serious will not be met with joy.
-uğur-

*I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again...

The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended.

On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:

I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of
objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of
the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at
the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would
state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted.

Alexandre