As an alternative idea, perhaps one of the early pd tutorials (e.g.
introduction) could simply elaborate how the inlets are numbered
which could be a considerably easier solution.
If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change,
don't forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as
the first inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes
accommodate for this alteration.
Best,
Ico
On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros
wrote:
Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges
of naming things in order to eliminate future confusion.
Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see
and understand for help patch user. Is really necessary expose
a new user to this problematics?
I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer
(at least initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps),
thinking this I understand the principal goal of the user is
to make thinks work, and to use the send a message to this
object he needs do use $1 $2 $3, if he use $0 pd will do
other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more
step for who are learning many more steps... (please correct
me if I'm wrong with regard to the behavior pd)
Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing..
Rename inlets and outlets I can make like meditation! :P
I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other
libraries and have change something like this have
consequences. But anyway, if needed I can modify some more
patches. :) Only it will have some time.
Cheers
Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico
Bukvic <ico@vt.edu>
escreveu:
Here's my $0-cents
worth. This is an eternal struggle in the world'o'comp sci.
We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0 is the 1st
number in any kind of data container, whether it be value or
ordinal position. Yet, as humans we prefer 1 to be that
first number, reserving 0 as the special case value. So, you
could make the case either way arguing for consistency,
intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration
within the pd* ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning
things tend to start with $0 (patch instance) before they
get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to the first arg, so you
could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. etc.
On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going
through every last help file and ensuring it has been
updated accordingly, otherwise you would be just adding to
more confusion as newcomers learn that some help files refer
to the first inlet as 0 and others as 1...
On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
Hi,
I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on
revision of some Help patches.
The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from
zero if Pd user have to call inlets and outlets from
$1 $2 $3... ? For help patch user don't be more
convenient enumerate inlets and outlets starting at
number 1?