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    If someone wants to write patches that work on vanilla anywhere,
    then there is a point. If people are already using Pd-extended or
    Debian then I honestly don't see the point, arraysize is already
    there, like many other externals.
    
    For me, apt-get install pd-arraysize is far easier than trying to
    remember that [expr] trick.  And thankfully we can write externals,
    so we can have choice. :-)
    
    .hc
    
    On 09/27/2012 03:00 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
    > That feature comes at the
      expense of compatibility, which
      > normally wouldn't be an issue _except_ that Pd
      > Vanilla already has the same functionality. So let's
      encourage
      > use of the more compatible way using [expr], which is
      > clearly documented and supports the _exact_ same features
      > as arraysize.
      >
      > -Jonathan
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >> ________________________________
      >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at>
      >> To: pd-list@iem.at 
      >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:24 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] apt.puredata.info is
      back!
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      > IMHO, arraysize is very useful because it has a memorable
      name. "I
      > > need to find the size of an array... oh, [arraysize]".
      >
      > .hc
      >
      > On 09/27/2012 02:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
      > >>> Please change the description for the package
      > >>> "pd-arraysize"
      > >>>
      > >>> "This object is deprecated. Use [expr
      size("array-name")]
      > >>> which works out of the box for Pd Extended, Pd
      Vanilla,
      > >>> and Pd-l2ork."
      > >>>
      > >>> -Jonathan
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> ----- Original Message -----
      > >>>> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig
      <zmoelnig@iem.at>
      > >>>> To: pd-announce@iem.at
      > >>>> Cc:
      > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:13 AM
      > >>>> Subject: [PD] [PD-announce]
      apt.puredata.info is back!
      > >>>>
      > >>> last night hans and me finally setup a
      replacement machine
      > > for
      > >>> apt.puredata.info[1], the ultimate source for
      Pd-extended on
      > >>> Debian-based systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Li
      > >>> fgmasdfnux/Mint,...)[2].
      > >>>
      > >>> it is now hosted on the puredata.info
      portal/mailinglist
      > > server,
      > >>> courtesy of iem.
      > >>>
      > >>> fgmasdf
      > >>> IOhannes
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> [1] http://apt.puredata.info/
      > >>> [2] http://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
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