Re: [PD] Preset management for Pd Vanilla

-- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Director, Creativity + Innovation Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology Virginia Tech Creative Technologies in Music School of Performing Arts – 0141 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico@vt.edu ci.icat.vt.edu l2ork.icat.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 7:58 PM Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com wrote: > > > Em sáb., 11 de nov. de 2023 às 16:11, Alexandre Torres Porres < > porres@gmail.com> escreveu: > >> Or yet a new functionality for [pdcontrol] if not in [send] or a whole >> new object >> > > A "retrieve" method to [value] would actually make sense. > > Anyway, I'm giving ideas and most probably most of you don't really know > about my preset system in ELSE in detail. The key element is [savestate], > which saves the data in a patch, which are values and receive destinations. > So I'm not thinking of another object for preset management, just using > this existing one for that, as a side product. The data is saved in a > [text] object, which is the best plase to store such a thing and it's the > 2nd key element per se. > > The "retrieve" function is to "grab" the data from objects connected or > bound to existing "receive" objects/symbols. This makes things much easier > and I hope things are clearer. > > [value] seems now like a good candidate for this functionality. It would > require the injection of a lot of code for this, but maybe that's ok, not > sure if this is a good reason to create a whole new object. And it fits > into the idea of [value], which can already send a value to another object, > so why can't it also 'grab'/'retrieve'? > > And also, the external abstraction that I mentioned could also be part of > the 'extra' library that comes with the Pd distribution, which already has > some abstractions anyway. While we're at it, I was already hoping to > include yet another abstraction there, a biquad coefficient calculator for > the [biquad~] object. > > cheers > > >> >> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 16:08 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Else’s has morphing, interpolation, etc and is an abstraction that uses >>> [savestate] and [text] mainly. >>> >>> It also relies on an external, [retrieve], similar to [grab] from MAX. >>> This one gets data from objects connected to named [receive] objects. One >>> could make a vanilla version without it, but it’d be much more complicated. >>> Or we could have a new [grab] / [retrieve] like object in Vanilla, and I >>> could build a Vanilla external abstraction and bring my system to vanilla >>> like that. >>> >>> We maybe don’t even need a new object and could have something like an >>> extra functionality in [send] where it can get things back. I think some >>> net objects work like that and it would hopefully not be too weird or >>> crazy, and maybe people would likewise abuse this for other use cases. >>> >>> Seems like a very not much intrusive addition that opens the door for >>> this. What do you people think? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 at 08:39 KHM t.hartmann t.hartmann@khm.de wrote: >>> >>>> +1 as well, for a native preset system. >>>> Best would be the possibility for interpolation between values in >>>> various ways, from jump to customisable interpolation curves. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Dr. Tobias Hartmann >>>> Künstlerisch-Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter / Assistant Professor >>>> >>>> exMedia - Sound >>>> >>>> Kunsthochschule für Medien Köln (KHM) >>>> Academy of Media Arts Cologne >>>> Peter-Welter-Platz 2 >>>> 50676 Köln >>>> >>>> t.hartmann@khm.de >>>> +49 (0) 221 20189 228 >>>> >>>> www.khm.de >>>> www.exmedia.khm.de >>>> >>>> www.hartmanntobias.com >>>> >>>> Am 11.11.2023 um 12:02 schrieb hans w. koch hansw.koch@gmail.com: >>>> >>>> +1 for a native preset system. thats the one thing i miss thinking >>>> back of the times i used max/msp (particularily the morphing feature). >>>> >>>> >>>> advantage over else: it can then be used in PdParty e.g. :-) >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> hans >>>> >>>> Am 11.11.2023 um 06:47 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres < >>>> porres@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm revisiting this. I'm proud of my presets system in ELSE but I think >>>> Pd needs something natively. What do you people think and say? >>>> >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> Em sex., 22 de jan. de 2021 às 14:27, Alexandre Torres Porres < >>>> porres@gmail.com> escreveu: >>>> >>>> Em sex., 22 de jan. de 2021 às 01:35, Alexandre Torres Porres < >>>> porres@gmail.com> escreveu: >>>> >>>> There's the "morphing" or "interpolation" thing that I may be still >>>> neglecting and thinking that using things "line" objects is just as fine, >>>> but let's see. I'll also look into how max does interpolation, someone >>>> already told me that, I think I have an idea for that too. >>>> >>>> >>>> I neglected the fact that [line] doesn't work with lists :) so I >>>> created an object that does it called [morph]. Hence, this takes care of >>>> preset transitions. I don't think it's necessary to put this feature inside >>>> the preset object as it makes it more complicated and in the end it's good >>>> this is a separate object as it's also useful outside the preset system and >>>> can be used on its own to morph into different arrays and stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm doing something similar for interpolation, with another object to >>>> allow one to manually interpolate between values and lists of values, also >>>> incorporating that feature from Max. This should all be up in my repository >>>> this weeked. >>>> >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>>> >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >