On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchard matju@artengine.ca wrote:
Is it bleeding or is that just something said from the perspective of innocence, as if in a previous world, logic would have been complete ?
If a complete and consistent self-referential logic system is impossible, then this is something that has to be accepted as having been always true, and our conception of the world has to be rebraided according to that truth. It's not useful to keep holding an old ideal of universality that looks like a measuring stick with which we assess an increasing rift between our fantasies and the consciousness of our own limits.
Gödel in the Garden of Eden bites into the fruit of [...] and it all went downhill from there. ;)
It's not the noble savage thing I'm arguing there Mat,
Few things that come to my mind....
It's not downhill. Okay, my "wound" poetic was a bit strong, maybe I should have said the box couldn't be closed or something. A better metaphor is to say it's uphill all the way, that as we climb higher the mountain gets narrower until one day you are standing on a peak with nowhere to run.
Secondly it's unthinkable, by definition. How to contemplate the ineffable price we paid for reason and language, using reason and language?
Lastly I would be most inclined towards Rousseau in regard to rebraiding, not a return to a state of nature "to live with lions and bears", but to move beyond mere instrumental reason to a kinder more compassionate position that subsumes logic, with all its flaws, into it.
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