shouldn't have singled anyone out like that...my apologies it's just this whole nonesense is getting to me after the x number of days it has lasted and gone nowhere.

2007/10/10, eric labelle < eric.a.labelle@gmail.com>:
just noticed...a bouchard flaming an american for his peoples Genocide? Where were your ancestors when the french starved the iroquois into peace in new france man?


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: eric labelle <eric.a.labelle@gmail.com>
Date: 10 oct. 2007 18:50
Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
To: " bigswift@cox.net" < bigswift@cox.net>

this whole facking thread is boring...the american bashing is the only thing keeping me on a list that would tolerate such flagrant abuse of people's time and bandwidth. Wow to hear them go at it they seem to take themselves seriously which is great...hack a bit of software and hold the key!! Hackers unite right?

2007/10/10, bigswift@cox.net < bigswift@cox.net>:
wow, only a few pages before the inevitable usa bashing.

BORING.

last i checked the primary developer of pd was an american, yes?









---- marius schebella < marius.schebella@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>
> >> Americans today make ironic references to the "Axis of Evil" and the
> >> "war on terror" and "homeland security" all the time.  It doesn't mean
> >> they buy it, even if the media makes it seem that way.
> >
> > Yeah but why do they still vote for one of the two big parties?
>
> why? I think because USamericans are fearful people. they are fearful,
> because they never learned to talk about their problematic history.
> genocide and slavery. they just inherit the guilty consciousness
> unprocessed from generation to generation. therefor they only feel safe,
> when they are protected by a big brother. they live with the idea of the
> survival of the fittest (make the rich richer). they never gave black
> people compensation for their exploitation (nor any other group). as a
> matter of fact this is not only US history, but western history in
> general, but european countries experienced worldwar II and I think they
> changed their way on communal thinking about racism and so on. there was
> some shift in common notion and also the wish to keep this notion alive.
> USamericans subconsciously still fear revenge. and even worse, some of
> them even think it is a good idea to have a small, rich, educated
> leading elite that controls the big majority of people. they propose a
> free market, which I see rather as a free slave market, because
> preconditions are not fair at all for all people. they try to oppress
> every effort of union building and their voting system is a "the winner
> takes it all". in europe it took green parties more than 20 years to
> make it into gouvernments. in the US this is not possible, because with
> anything less than 50% you are nothing.
> and of course the US has a media that is owned by a handful of people,
> and an education system including universities that aligns itself more
> to the needs of companies and corporations than to the values of life.
> that's why "they" still vote for one of the two big parties.
> with the fall of the dollar, the raise of china, some bank crashs, more
> and more unemployed people, no health care, no social security I think
> people will start to vote differently within the the next 10-20 years.
> marius.
>
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