hey, before spitting on pd, could you consider changing the root of your system? ( and a few brain cells too ? )i already knew that ydegoyon would have to mumble something insightful and enlightening after damian's brazen affront. ahhh - what a miserable world that would be without our beloved and brave floss freedom fighters... it's late and scnr, sven. @damian (1): max/msp is really worth the money especially if you need a gui @damian (2): what's wrong with the pd-win32 binaries available?