Le vendredi 30 novembre 2007 à 15:20 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
You can add a redirect page for that translation, instead of changing
every page. basically create a new page [[XXXXXX:vanilla]] and then
add this text to that page:#redirect [[Category:vanilla]]
I have worked a bit a page about wiki shortcuts and such in French at http://wiki.puredata.info/fr/Aide:Contents but still havent foudn the time to reflect the changes into http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Help:Contents
I guess the latter shoudl be translated first in general when you start a new language version
my 2 two thunes
O.
.hc
On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:32 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Problem solved.
When the pages were imported from the original English page, the line [[Category:vanilla]]
in all pages were replaced with [[XXXXXX:vanilla]]
where XXXXXX is the translated term for 'Category'.
This should have remained untranslated for MediaWiki to parse properly and add that page to the category it claimed to belong to.
Thanks for all the help though. Now I feel comfortable to start seeking volunteers to start working on pages :)
-- David Shimamoto
On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page
that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it.In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the
localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner.Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work.
Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior.
Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The
Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might try a mediawiki forum..hc
-- David Shimamoto
.hc
On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote:
Hans,
Ok, I figure only the page names are copied.
One last question if before I start adding text..
I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as,
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from?
-- David Shimamoto
> Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English > content, > none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in > their > template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by > clicking > the "English" link on the lower left of each page. > > .hc > > On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: > >> >> Hans, >> >> >> Thanks. >> I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. >> >> >> To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass >> >> --- >> After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining >> that for example, >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line >> would be filled with English contents identical to >> >> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line >> >> >> Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've >> translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. >> Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for >> specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced >> with multi byte characters of my language. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> -- >> David Shimamoto >> >> >> >>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hans, >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the >>>>> pages as >>>>> they are imported: >>>>> http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum >>>> >>>> Thanks for the effort! >>>> >>>> Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the "recent changes" >>>> page. >>>> Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching >>>> massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? >>>> >>>> Some pages I opened were just blank. >>>> I wonder if this is because the original English page >>>> is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to
>>>> end. >>> >>> There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates >>> with the >>> infobox and the categories setup. >>> >>>>> Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the >>>>> infobox >>>>> stuff will show up. >>>> >>>> I feel I've already done this following the "admin HOW-TO". >>>> If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. >>> >>> I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on
>>> the >>> HOWTO. >>> That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. >>> >>> .hc >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in
>>>>> japanese >>>>> :D ) >>>> >>>> Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> .hc >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hans, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly
>>>>>> prepared >>>>>> by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly
>>>>>> has terms >>>>>> unified with the main page. So for that part I feel >>>>>> comfortable to >>>>>> proceed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. >>>>>> Thanks. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template?
>>>>>>> It's >>>>>>> up to >>>>>>> you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .hc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hans, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' >>>>>>>> pages. >>>>>>>> I would appreciate it if you could try executing the
>>>>>>>> import. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> David Shimamoto >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have some questions for some of you working on
>>>>>>>>>> pdpedia. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>> Has there already been discussions on policies regarding >>>>>>>>>> when/which >>>>>>>>>> pages to lock? >>>>>>>>>> I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the
>>>>>>>>>> way to >>>>>>>>>> go if >>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>> the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet
>>>>>>>>>> MediaWiki >>>>>>>>>> spammers? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Locking pages is basically for when people are
>>>>>>>>> fighting over a >>>>>>>>> page. I >>>>>>>>> can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that
>>>>>>>>> we'd >>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>> lock >>>>>>>>> pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>>>> Regarding importing data from other languages.. >>>>>>>>>> For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the
>>>>>>>>>> following >>>>>>>>>> procedure. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I. Open the pdpedia page in English. >>>>>>>>>> II. Enter "edit" mode and [copy] the contents in the
>>>>>>>>>> form >>>>>>>>>> III. Create an equivalent page in my language and
>>>>>>>>>> [paste] the >>>>>>>>>> material >>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>> IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> The above does not work for pages such as
>>>>>>>>>> 'Category:vanilla'. >>>>>>>>>> I don't quite understand how that content is embedded
>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> page. >>>>>>>>>> Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and >>>>>>>>>> Portuguese >>>>>>>>>> pages >>>>>>>>>> have been successful in this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Once that translated template that you posted is ready
>>>>>>>>> to go, >>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>> run the import. That will generate template pages for
>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> 2000 >>>>>>>>> objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in
>>>>>>>>> content, >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>> gathered from pages in other languages, help patches,
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