> Here's a radical idea that I've sometimes pondered: what if we could create left-inlets and right-outlets as well as the standard top- and bottom- ones? 

If the object has more than one inlet or outlet you wouldn't be able to fit them on the side of the object box.

Also, you run into a common UI problem: if you rotate a thing ninety degrees, do you rotate clockwise or counterclockwise?  If I push "up" 

on a DirectTv remote the channel guide on the screen scrolls down (and the numbers decrease!), but if I slide my fingers up a MacBook 

touchpad the browser window scrolls upward.  Similarly, vertically-placed outlets could fire top-down or bottom-up.  Maybe one is somehow 

more natural than the other, but off the top of my head I can't think which.  So I think you'd get more conceptual complexity in return for 

visual left-to-right flow.

[expr] helps to fill the role you describe.  Unfortunately the Max-compatibility creates more complexity, making Pd's mantra of 

"everything is a float" turn into "everything is a float unless it follows the syntax of that other software which you may or may 

not have learned..."

-Jonathan

On Monday, February 22, 2016 11:40 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Max have features like auto-align horizontally/vertically

Pd-l2ork has this, too-- "Tidy Up" in the Edit menu.  It's a little strange-- if you click it once it will sweep the selected objects into a 

"pile", and if you click again it will fan them out like a deck of cards.  But it can work well for some situations.

> and align and route patch cords which is very useful to organize patch cords and make the thinks more readable. I like them a lot.

That's a side-effect of "Tidy Up" in a lot of cases, at least for the leftmost inlets and outlets.

-Jonathan

On Monday, February 22, 2016 10:49 PM, Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com> wrote:

A feature I miss in vanilla and extended (pdl2ork solve that) is resize objects via one point click and drag. If it is hard to implement, a "apply" button on properties can help to design UI's in Vanilla.

Max have features like auto-align horizontally/vertically and align and route patch cords which is very useful to organize patch cords and make the thinks more readable. I like them a lot.

Em seg, 22 de fev de 2016 às 23:49, Johnny Mauser via Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at> escreveu:

That's something i completly experiece diffrently!! Pd fucks up in practise and development quiet often (maybe i make it fuck up) but once it runs, it runs stable every time!!

Love to pd,

Johnny

Am 23.02.2016 02:20 schrieb "Morten Minothi Kristiansen" <minothi@gmail.com>:

Not tried different builds, please giide me.

23. feb. 2016 02.20 skrev "Morten Minothi Kristiansen" <minothi@gmail.com>:

Its been like this with Mavericks, Yosemite and El capitalist. Pd extended 0.43. I did a clean install a week ago and it worked fine for a week until I installed live 9. It still worked until it suddenly hit some kond of wall again.

Mort

23. feb. 2016 02.15 skrev "AP Vague" <apvague@gmail.com>:

Woah, that's definitely a problem I haven't heard of... I'm guessing you've already tried using different builds. What OS are you on?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Morten Minothi Kristiansen <minothi@gmail.com> wrote:

On my last two comouters PD wont open unless I start it with a standalone patch I made long ago. It works for a little while, then crashes completely and for ever more...unless I use the stand alone. Recently...5 min before a gig the standalone wouldnt even start. The gig was fine as Im nott 100% relying on pd, but I have lost faith in PD EXTENDED and wish someone could have helped me earlier with this. I have posted and searched for answears, but didnt get nothing back. Aaaarrrgggghhh!!!

I would mayyybe make a few more attempts if only someone serious would help me out with this and fix the problem, but thats yet to be the case.

Ok... sorry about the rant. Had to get it out and now Im moving on with Max.

Yebo
Morten

22. feb. 2016 02.52 skrev "Matti Viljamaa" <mviljamaa@kapsi.fi>:

Perhaps a bit of broad question, but I find it interesting in order to speculate about future additions.

How do you think Pure Data is limited?
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