> Jumping on the discussion (not a frequent poster, but I do follow), I
> must say I agree with Marco... but one question (kinda related, but at
> the same time isn't): what would consist, then, "improvisation" when
> using Pd?
>
>
> I mean, if you consider free improvisation the only thing I can think
> of, in five seconds, is "live coding". However, if you think of an
> instrument there are also "pre-given" structures one must follow, that
> is, pitch range, playability, timbre and so on. Roughly, with
> traditional instruments (from western tradition) you can't go that far
> away from the 12-tone paradigm (of course, a few exceptions here and
> there with guys like Otomo Yoshihide for the guitar or Coltrane/Evan
> Parker for Saxophone), but then, again... what is true improvisation
> in the context of Pd, Max, whatever?
>
>
> I'm asking because, like I said, I do agree with Marco - recombining
> patterns doesn't consist of improvisation for me as well... and if
> improvisation in that case consists of playing notes over the riffs
> and patterns, why use a gestural controller? Just for the sake of
> technology?
>
>
> Such topic interests me a lot, I'd love to hear your thoughts :)
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Marco Donnarumma <
devel@thesaddj.com
> > wrote:
>
>
> Ingo,
> thanks for your explanation, I think to understand how he's playing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The movement looks to me secondary - it's more like a dance movement
> and not
> too much music control.
>
>
>
>
>
> This might be a very personal take, but if movement is secondary in
> gestural control, why one uses gestural control at all?
> I believe that effective and ancillary gestures are what reinforce our
> perception of an instrument as a musical tool, rather than a mere
> "device".
> Imho many gestural controllers would benefit of a better focus on this
> aspect.
>
>
> How would you play such melodic lines (like those jazz licks) - in
> time -
> simply with gestural control?
>
>
> Setting an array of preset chords, triggering them with multiple
> switches, deploying a timeline which holds the trigger until the onset
> of the next beat or quarter, etc...
> I guess the list here could come up with many other methods.
> I'm not saying that's trivial, I only think that it's not the "future"
> as it is presented in the video.
>
>
> How would you improvise on scales, pattern or
> harmonic structures? After all he's a jazz player calling his music
> "beat
> jazz".
>
>
>
> What do you call improvisation in this case?
> How much is he improvising?
> I can imagine he's "improvising" with the melodic lines, but playing
> samples and presets chords doesn't match my own definition of
> improvisation.
>
>
> cheers,
> M
>
>
>
>
>
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