Sorry about the bad subject. Don't post too regularly and not sure the best way to reply to a thread here. Guess it's just reply, change subject, delete irrelevant parts of the thread. I do appreciate your patience and continued conversation.

An even better feature would be to hover over an outlet and see the connected inlets and/or cables highlighted. I generally make neat patches that are easy to follow, but even with neat patches there can be a lot of crossed cables. I imagine implementing this would be even more difficult. Is Pd's GUI kept really simple because it's difficult to implement new features or because it's important to keep a low impact on the cpu?

IOhannes, I didn't even know you could connect an inlet-outlet pair twice. What is the effect? Does it send the data twice at control rate and does is it additive with signals?

Sam


 
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 14:58:37 +0100
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at>
To: pd-list@lists.iem.at
Subject: [PD] fan-out (was Re:  Pd-list Digest, Vol 203, Issue 12)
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hi.

it would be super-cool if you could change the subject to something
meaningful before replying to a digest mail.

On 2/10/22 14:39, Samuel Burt wrote:
> Having used Pd for two decades, this still catches me occasionally. I was

that's the reason why i think that statements like "Fanning out to cold
control inlets is perfectly fine" and "I also admit to using fanning
when I know order isn't as important for that case" are problematic.
not because they are wrong (they are objectively correct), but because
they encourage bad habits which are hard to come by.


> only able to debug the problem because I knew this could be an issue. Guess
> the UI doesn't allow for some kind of subtle indication that you've fanned
> connections from an outlet. Would be nice though if a little "x2", "x3",
> and "x4" would pop up next to your mouse cursor when you are making a
> connection and mouse over the next inlet.

dunno.
if you are currently creating a fan-out you are hopefully aware that you
are doing just that (i think it's *really* hard to not notice that an
outlet already has a connection going out).
so the problem is not to make people aware that they are fanning out,
but to make people aware that this might introduce message ordering
problems.

in the meantime, use triggerize (Ctrl+a Ctrl+t) to resolve all your
fan-outs.

gfmkdf
IOhannes
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:00:48 +0100
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at>
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On 2/10/22 10:30, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> 2) I believe it's more valuable if people do not fanning connections
> because they understand their implications rather than because a
> message tells them to avoid them.

but maybe they can be made aware of the implications if they were made
explicit.

>
> 3) I'm personally not so fond of the idea of giving people patching
> advice.

i understand that.

on a related note:
since Pd-0.52 it is no longer possible to connect a single outlet to
single inlet twice.
after reading this thread , i wonder whether this was premature and
whether we should undo that change.

gfmasdr
IOhannes
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