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Today's Topics:

  1. (no subject) (Miguel Eduardo Venegas Monroy)
  2. Re: [PD-announce] Xth Sense awarded first prize first prize
      at Guthman Musical Instrument Competition (Lorenzo Sutton)
  3. Re: vbap speaker position not correct? (Christoph Kuhr)
  4. Re: floating-point question (Lorenzo Sutton)
  5. Re: vbap speaker position not correct? (Roman Haefeli)
  6. Re: new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!
      (?ngel Faraldo)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:15:36 -0800
From: Miguel Eduardo Venegas Monroy <miguelvmonroy@gmail.com>
Subject: [PD] (no subject)
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Final proyects with pure data.


https://picasaweb.google.com/113390089057293315237/PureData_Febrero_ProyectosFinalesBang

[gemhead]
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[rotateXYZ]
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[cube]

[create<
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[pd gemwin]


i send you a other pictures of workshops on Ensenada.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113390089057293315237

:)

thanks alot
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:51:30 +0100
From: Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Xth Sense awarded first prize first
    prize at Guthman Musical Instrument Competition
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Congratulations Marco!

Ciao,
Lorenzo.

On 19/02/12 15:28, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I'm coming back to Europe in few hours, but wanted to share this news.
>
> http://www.gtcmt.gatech.edu/news/marco-donnarumma?s-xth-sense-named-world?s-most-innovative-new-musical-instrument
>
> thanks to the whole community, without which this research would have
> not been possible.
> best wishes,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing)
> The University of Edinburgh, UK
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:56:30 +0100
From: Christoph Kuhr <christoph.kuhr@web.de>
Subject: Re: [PD] vbap speaker position not correct?
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i found my error...
i used [dac~0 1 2 0 3 4 5 6 7] instead of [dac~ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8],
the leftmost outlet is not the first puredata output in jack.!?!
the second leftmost outlet (1) is corresponding to puredata output 0.

is that correct?
has this changed over the time?

regards
Ck


On 19.02.2012 19:26, pd-list-request@iem.at wrote:
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:11:30 -0500
> From: "Hans-Christoph Steiner"<hans@at.or.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD] vbap speaker position not correct?
> To: Christoph Kuhr<christoph.kuhr@web.de>,pd-list@iem.at
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>
> If the amp numbers coming out of vbap are correct, then I think the
> problem is in your patch ' your speaker setup, or your space.
>
> .hc
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 20:16, Christoph Kuhr wrote:
>> >  Hi list,
>> > 
>> >  i used the following define_loudspeakers object:
>> > 
>> >  define_loudspeakers 3 -45 0  0 45    45 0    90 45    145 0    180
>> >  45    -145 0    -90 45
>> > 
>> >  but if i make a horizontal circle trajectory, the sound comes from
>> >  strange positions.
>> >  its like an inclined ellipse or something...
>> >  i also tried ls-triplets and ls-directions messages without effort.
>> > 
>> >  the values at the vbap outputs are correct.
>> > 
>> >  what could be the problem?
>> > 
>> >  regards
>> >  Ck
>> > 
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:03:47 +0100
From: Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] floating-point question
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On 20/02/12 04:42, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mathieu Bouchard<matju@artengine.ca>
>> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner<hans@at.or.at>
>> Cc: pd-list@iem.at; Mirko Petrovich<mirko.petrovich@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PD] floating-point question
>>
>> Le 2012-02-19 ? 21:52:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
>>>  On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Mirko Petrovich wrote:
>>>>  I'm having a problem with a patch doing some very simple math. The
>> problem is that float 0.1 represents as 0.0999985 in some cases.
>>>  That's a problem with floating point calculations on computers,
>> unfortuantely.  Hard to work around that.
>>
...
> With 64-bit floats does this problem practically go away (like getting an index into
> a large table)?
Careful, though, if you convert it back to 32 or 16 bit.
Especially if you are using expensive gear:

http://www.around.com/ariane.html





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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:10:37 +0100
From: Roman Haefeli <reduzent@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] vbap speaker position not correct?
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On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:56 +0100, Christoph Kuhr wrote:
> i found my error...
> i used [dac~0 1 2 0 3 4 5 6 7] instead of [dac~ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8],
> the leftmost outlet is not the first puredata output in jack.!?!
> the second leftmost outlet (1) is corresponding to puredata output 0.
>
> is that correct?
> has this changed over the time?

Ever since I remember using Pd, the dac numbering starts with 1, not
with 0.

Roman





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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:53:31 +0100
From: ?ngel Faraldo <angelfaraldo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in
    beta!
To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at>
Cc: "pd-list@iem.at List" <pd-list@iem.at>
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On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:08 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012, at 11:19, ?ngel Faraldo wrote:
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at>
>>> Date: February 18, 2012 9:02:07 PM GMT+01:00
>>> To: ?ngel Faraldo <angelfaraldo@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Jo?o Pais <jmmmpais@googlemail.com>, "pd-list@iem.at List" <pd-list@iem.at>
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta!
>>
>>
>>>> also frequent and irregular audio clicks on mac OSX 10.6.8, no matter how big the delay time is set to in the audio properties. (Tested with 'test audio/midi patch'  @ SR 44100 and 48000 Hz with built-in audio, portaudio).
>>
>>> What kind of computer and audio interface are you using?
>>
>> macbook pro 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with OSX 10.6.8. I tested it with
>> the built-in audio and a RME Fireface 800 with similar results.
>
>
> I'm on a very similar machine',  a MacBook pro 3 - 2.4ghz running
> 10.6.8.  Ive never seen this before.  I don't have any external
> interface, perhaps its related to the drivers from your interface? Just
> a guess. Do other audio apps work? Like Audacity?  It also uses
> portaudio.

Actually I have tried it on an older macbook without problem, but on my computer keeps on clicking awfully if I use portaudio --I attach a mp3 file with the output--. If I select jack there are no clicks. Besides, the audio in Audacity works perfectly fine.

(These tests were done with the mac built-in audio and with a RME fireface 800 with similar results).
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?ngel

>
> Please file a bug report on this one too.
>
> .hc
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Hmm yeah, [cputime] does seem broken.  Could you post a bug report please?
>>
>> done
>>
>> ?ngel faraldo
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:54 PM, ?ngel Faraldo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> also frequent and irregular audio clicks on mac OSX 10.6.8, no matter how big the delay time is set to in the audio properties. (Tested with 'test audio/midi patch'  @ SR 44100 and 48000 Hz with built-in audio, portaudio).
>>>>
>>>> also, [cputime] appears not to work.
>>>>
>>>> (pd-0.43.1-extended-20120218-macosx105-i386)
>>>>
>>>> ?ngel Faraldo
>>>> _________________
>>>> www.angelfaraldo.info
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Jo?o Pais wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sounds as if the audio isn't synced to the system card, or something. The sinus in the audio test patch has lots of irregular clicks, almost as if they would be dropouts.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean by noisy?  Can you give more information?  I really don't know much about Windows, so I rely on others to tell me how things there should be handled.  patco and pob have been doing a lot of valuable work there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .hc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Jo?o Pais wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> great job. But, here in XP, I get audio problems: trying to run with asio (as I always do with 0.42), the audio is very noisy.
>>>>>>> Audio options are -asio -audioindev 2 -audiooutdev 2 -channels 2 -midiindev 1 -midioutdev 1 -audiobuf 40, and they always worked with previous versions of pd-ext.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jo?o
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time, about 18 months now, mostly because there are lots of big improvements, and we wanted to make sure we got it right, so your patches all work, but the improvements all shine. Its now solidly beta, so we?re looking for testers. Download a nightly build to try here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First off, the pd-gui side of Pd has been re-written from scratch. When you run Pd, you are actually running two programs: pd is the core engine and pd-gui is the GUI. Since basically all computers now come with multiple CPU cores, this means that pd-gui will usually run on a separate CPU core than pd, so they don?t step on each other?s toes. pd can entirely take over its own core. If you want to make your patch use more CPU cores, then check out the [pd~] object introduced in the last release (0.42.5).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pd still handles some of the GUI stuff, but we are working on splitting that out for the 0.44 release. That is a big chunk of work but it will also bring big gains. In particular, it means that it will be possible for people to write their own GUIs for Pd, covering not just the display of the patch, but also the editing, and everything else. You like OpenFrameworks, python, iOS, JUCE, Qt, etc.? Write your own pd-gui using the toolkit of your choice. That?s the idea at least. That will take a solid chunk of work, so we are looking for people to join that effort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are so many ideas for making a better editing experience in Pd, this release makes big strides to address the editing experience. There are new features like Magic Glass, Autotips, Autopatch and Perf Mode, all available on the Edit menu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? Magic Glass let?s you magically see the messages as they pass through the cords. Just turn it on and hover above a cord, and you?ll see the messages as they go by. You can even look at signal/audio cords.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? Autotips gives you tips about what an object does, what its inlet expects, and what comes out of the outlets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? Autopatch mode automatically connects objects as you create them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ? Perf Mode, is a mode for performance that makes it harder to accidentally close windows that are part of your performance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Pd Window is also majorly overhauled. First of all, its fast. Much much faster than the old one. You can now print thousands of messages per second to the Pd Window and still edit your patch. No more will an accidental dump of info cause the GUI to freeze up (well, ok, maybe if you send 10,000 messages/second but that is a way too many). There are also now 5 levels of printing messages to the Pd Window: fatal, error, normal, debug, all. If you are only interested in fatal errors, switch the Pd Window to 0 ? fatal, and you?ll only see the worst problems. You want to see every single message to debug? Switch to 4 ? all, and you?ll get the whole firehose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is also the new log library, which lets you easily send messages for those different levels. And all messages logged with the objects from the log library are clickable: when you Ctrl-Click or Cmd-click (Mac OS X) on the line in the Pd Window, it?ll pop up the patch where the message came from, and highlight the specific object that printed it. That even works for many messages from other objects as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Pd Window also includes very basic level meters for monitoring the input and output levels. And for those who want to play with the GUI in realtime, you can type Tcl code in the Tcl entry field, and directly modify and probe the running GUI.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One thing that you can do now is customize the GUI using GUI plugins. You can change all sorts of colors, some fonts, and many behaviors. Want to create a new object when you triple-click? Try the tripleclick example plugin Want to make the patch cords disappear when you leave Edit Mode? Check out the ?only show cords in edit mode? example. Those are the simple ones. There is also Tab Completion, a search engine for the docs, a category browser for the right-click menu, a buttonbar for creating objects, and more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can find many GUI plugins in the new section of the downloads page as well as documentation for making your own. What kind of GUI plugin will write?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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