hi, one of the side effects of pdpedia is that with the overview of all the objects there are also a lot of objects that are ~buggy that are not working. especially flatspace makes problems. help-patches are not showing up, many objects cannot be created. :( but anyway, I created a new category called gui which will include all the graphical UI objects. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:gui hans, can I do something to get the images running? marius.