> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:20:06 -0500
> From: dafydd61@gmail.com
> To: scottrlooney@gmail.com
> CC: pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] list etiquette
>
> Hey Scott - yeah I figured that was the case.
>
> Now let's make some art!
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Scott R. Looney <scottrlooney@gmail.com> wrote:
> > sorry - looks like i wasn't being completely clear with that last statement.
> > it started out as a request to filter a particular member from the list. the
> > 'you should be aware' quote was more generally directed at everyone, not a
> > particular individual in question. as in 'if someone was going to single out
> > another on this list, they should be aware of their positive contributions'.
> > no offense or accusation was implied.
> >
> > best,
> >
> > scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Scott
> >>
> >> Ok - maybe I'm just being cranky (which I'm extra good at). Glad to hear
> >> this is still a welcoming place for newcomers. And to be clear, I'm
> >> definitely not talking about Mathieu. I've always appreciated his
> >> contributions.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Dafydd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2012-03-10, at 1:37 PM, "Scott R. Looney" <scottrlooney@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> i'll chime in first -  as i am a new member of the list, and having
> >> trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would
> >> say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list
> >> largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an
> >> occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists
> >> are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking
> >> behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended  and the flame war ensues.
> >> whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty
> >> bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow.
> >>
> >> so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose
> >> positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their
> >> occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find
> >> insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i
> >> would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are
> >> referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of
> >> his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this
> >> list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to
> >> give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at
> >> others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was
> >> taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD
> >> forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always
> >> there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the
> >> values of open source collaboration intact.
> >>
> >> scott
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.
> >>>
> >>> On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone
> >>> > of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one
> >>> > member.
> >>> >
> >>> > I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list
> >>> > member,
> >>> > but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
> >>> >
> >>> > -Jonathan
> >>> >
> >>> >> ________________________________
> >>> >> From: Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com>
> >>> >> To: ALAN BROOKER <alan.brooker2010@gmail.com>
> >>> >> Cc: mahatGma rabintrah <mahatgma@gmail.com>; pd-list@iem.at
> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hey folks
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too
> >>> >> long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those
> >>> >> for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a
> >>> >> specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list
> >>> >> administrators. Is this correct?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking
> >>> >> about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if
> >>> >> they're not written down, correct?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly
> >>> >> reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting
> >>> >> back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I
> >>> >> have to agree with Alan Brooker:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets
> >>> >>> get
> >>> >>> some good will together.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I
> >>> >> probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly
> >>> >> supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths,
> >>> >> isn't it?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> cheers
> >>> >> dafydd
> >>> >>
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