12 Jun
2015
12 Jun
'15
10:26 p.m.
Hi Alexandre,
I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away).
hmm, but I see it still has alpha55 there
Finally I found a way to create an 0.1-alpha57 page, so it is now more as it should be. The alpha55 is the latest real Pd-extended release.
great news about the rest
really excited about this update
Greetings,
Fred Jan
2015-06-12 3:34 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre, > Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been > sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it. > > Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions > as clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and > also [scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I > could propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be objects. The last days I have been looking at what could be done with the original nettles. In the end it was quite simple to get them working as a library object and create a suitable help-patch. Both are checked in in svn, but the original cyclone build system will not build the library. Katja created a new makefile system as a drop-in replacement for the Pd-extended build system, which will be checked in soon. I will try to create new binary distributions, usable with the deken-plugin somewhere next week. These will contain the nettles. I try to keep the current state of cyclone here: http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55 (never mind the 55, it wouldn't go away). Any object or abstraction that implements something present in Max(5) could be part of cyclone. > > Cheers Greetings, Fred Jan > > 2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com> > <mailto:porres@gmail.com <mailto:porres@gmail.com>>>: > > yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is > that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea? > > I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed > about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only > got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~ > > It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~, > <=~, >=~, %~, +=~ > > I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I > didn't know about. > > So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried > loading them with it and nothing happened. > > It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why > can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]? > > cheers > > > 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>: > > Hi Alexandre, > > The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before: > !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~ > They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be > part of your distribution. The source code is in > externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name. > > As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important > to make > them available again. > > Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page: > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > Greetings, > > Fred Jan > > On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for > more > > compability. > > > > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with > several > > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. > It serves > > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding > opening > > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very > > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about > forcing > > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have > been > > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and > everything, > > seems pointless. > > > > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious > to me that > > no human being is using this... > > > > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are > these? > > > > cheers > > > > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>>: > > > > Hi Alexandre, > > > > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and > related > > >> library objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right? > > > > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops > > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle > libraries. The > > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are > also available > > as separate objects. > > > > > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] > thing/object, can > > > you give us an example on how to use it? > > > > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is > to make > > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more > convenient. The dummy > > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load > without errors. The > > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other > objects. The > > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in > Pd-vanilla or cyclone. > > > > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but > that is a > > long time ago. > > > > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I > made a copy just > > in time: > > > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html. > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > Greetings, > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan > <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>> > > > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>> > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>>>: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and > functionality of the > > > Cyclone library? > > > > > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make > importing of Max/MSP > > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 > patches, already > > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file > formats. In > > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, > the message and > > > signal objects are loaded from library objects. > Normal cyclone usage > > > are individual objects. > > > > > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build > system, usable for all > > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an > opportunity to simplify the > > > building process and remove potential unused > functionality. > > > > > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and > related library > > > objects will not be build anymore. > > > > > > Fred Jan > > > > > > P.S. 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