could be, I know nothing really about it. But I think I've read something that stated so. And I also tried it and saw that you could inverse filters like that.

cheers


2014-04-22 21:06 GMT-03:00 Robert Esler <robert@urbanstew.org>:
Though with DC  you don't have the issue of phase.  I'm not an expert in filter math, but I assume that by the time your filtered audio (assuming its not DC) gets subtracted by the [-~] object it is out of phase with the original signal.  Moreover, I hear a distinct difference.  Maybe I'm not conceiving your statement properly and perhaps this discussion has been about DC all along…

Regards


From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:51 PM
To: GCC <robert@urbanstew.org>
Cc: <apvague@gmail.com>, Ingo <ingo@miamiwave.com>, pd-lista puredata <pd-list@iem.at>

Subject: Re: [PD] WG: Inverse bandpass filter

can;t remember where I saw about this, but check this link

http://msp.ucsd.edu/techniques/v0.11/book-html/node141.html

see the quote "An easy and practical way to remove the zero-frequency component from an audio signal is to use a one-pole low-pass filter to extract it, and then subtract the result from the signal. The resulting transfer function is one minus the transfer function of the low-pass filter:"

doesn't it agree with what I said?


cheers



2014-04-22 14:37 GMT-03:00 Robert Esler <robert@urbanstew.org>:
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's quite the same thing.  I believe the signal would be out of phase negating many of the effects of the filter.  I would recommend using [biquad~] and in pd-extended there is a [notch] object which takes care of the coefficients.  This sounds much cleaner and more notch-like to my ear than subtracting the filtered output.  
 There is an explanation in Miller's book if you like unit circle math: http://msp.ucsd.edu/techniques/latest/book-html/node144.html
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isn't it just subtract the audio from the filtered output?

I guess you can get inverse freq response just by that

cheers


2014-04-18 17:21 GMT-03:00 Ingo <ingo@miamiwave.com>:

You could send the original signal in parallel and invert the phase by
multiplying with -1. You might have to delay the original signal in case
that the processed signal gets also delayed by one or more blocks.

Ingo

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> AP Vague
> Gesendet: Freitag, 18. April 2014 18:49
> Betreff: [PD] Inverse bandpass filter
>
> Is there a simple way to make [bp~] or [vcf~] have an inverse function?
To
> filter out, rather than pass a changing frequency value. Is the easiest
> way to do this with a combination of [lop~] and [hip~]?


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