While in the biquad subject, max to pd translating, I learned that the order and values of coefficients in both don't match... I checked mmb's patches and I see they match pd's native biquad~, but both don't agree to max...

Max does suggest a different order of the coefficients in its help file, but what we see in practice is yet some other order, and also some reversal in signs (positive/negative) in a couple of terms.

Just wondering, why the hell is that? Anybody?

Can't deal with formulas really well, but I see they're supposed to be the same... and I take that from mmb's patches, whose formulas are exactly as depicted in max (although the help from native pd's biquad~ is somewhat different, but seemingly equivalent mathematically)

cheers

ps. by the way, here's a patch that converts the order of coefficients from "max to pd"

#N canvas 150 47 214 262 10;

#X obj 32 7 unpack f f f f f;

#X obj 125 31 * -1;

#X obj 101 55 * -1;

#X obj 41 80 pack f f f f f;

#X msg 41 115 \$4 \$5 \$3 \$2 \$1;

#X obj 32 -23 inlet;

#X obj 41 143 outlet;

#X text 69 -24 max;

#X text 87 143 pd;

#X connect 0 0 3 0;

#X connect 0 1 3 1;

#X connect 0 2 3 2;

#X connect 0 3 2 0;

#X connect 0 4 1 0;

#X connect 1 0 3 4;

#X connect 2 0 3 3;

#X connect 3 0 4 0;

#X connect 4 0 6 0;

#X connect 5 0 0 0;