2017-07-18 17:45 GMT-03:00 Ali Momeni <batchku@gmail.com>:My understanding is that 'coll' is NOT a part of vanilla, but rather a part of 'cyclone', not maintained by Miller. Since I'm looking for a pure Vanilla solution, this is not a good choice. right?Yep, [coll] is an external from cyclone, not part of vanilla. It is not maintained by Miller, but this doesn't mean that it is not being maintained, as cyclone is in active development and maintenance. But it is not clear why you need a vanilla solution, if it is a matter of an external being maintained or not. Usually this restriction comes from a matter of doing something with libpd, sometimes it is a case of personal preference...As I understand, [coll] and [text] may have different features, though I wouldn't know about them, like I just asked, as well as I asked if there could be any benefit in also cloning max's [dict] object.cheers