On 21 January 2013 21:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> wrote:

Hey Julian,

Can you run this and send me the results:

$ pd-extended -stderr -verbose -noprefs -nrt

.hc

On 01/21/2013 04:37 PM, Julian Brooks wrote:
> Yip yip - same here:
>
> 0.43.4-extended-20130107
>
> WARNING: 64-bit builds are still beta, some libraries are known to have
> serious issues (cyclone, maxlib, moonlib, moocow, pdp, bsaylor, etc.)
> /usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl/../startup/1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup
> library'!
>
>
> [list] has only one inlet.
>
> Debian Sid/Wheezy 64b.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
> On 21 January 2013 21:26, batinste <dwanafite@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Weirder and weirder. Pd-ext still cannot load 1.list.pd_linux. I get
>>

>> error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup

>> library'!
>>
>> but :
>>
>> ~$ ls /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/ | grep list
>> 1.list.pd_linux
>>
>>
>> So i deinstalled the last auto-build of Pd-extended for ubuntu 12.10 x64 :
>>
>> ~$ sudo dpkg --purge pd-extended
>> (Lecture de la base de données... 303007 fichiers et répertoires déjà
>> installés.)
>> Suppression de pd-extended ...
>> Purge des fichiers de configuration de pd-extended ...
>> dpkg : avertissement : while removing pd-extended, directory
>> '/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra' not empty so not removed
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « hicolor-icon-theme
>> »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « bamfdaemon »...

>> Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.**index...

>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « desktop-file-utils
>> »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « gnome-menus »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « man-db »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « menu »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « shared-mime-info
>> »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ureadahead »...
>>
>> in the extra directory are ANN library and the missing earplug_data.txt.
>> It shouldn't interfere with the rest.
>>
>> Then i removed preferences backups i did in my /home/me : .pdextended,

>> .pdextended~, .pdextended.**thisoneactuallyworks, etc :)
>>
>> Then, downloaded Pd-0.43.4-extended-ubuntu-**quantal-amd64.deb from
>> http://autobuild.puredata.**info/auto-build/latest/<http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/>and
>>
>> ~$ sudo dpkg -i Desktop/Pd-0.43.4-extended-**ubuntu-quantal-amd64.deb

>> Sélection du paquet pd-extended précédemment désélectionné.
>> (Lecture de la base de données... 295934 fichiers et répertoires déjà
>> installés.)

>> Dépaquetage de pd-extended (à partir de .../Pd-0.43.4-extended-ubuntu-**quantal-amd64.deb)

>> ...
>> Paramétrage de pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) ...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « ureadahead »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « shared-mime-info
>> »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « menu »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « man-db »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « bamfdaemon »...

>> Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf.**index...

>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « desktop-file-utils
>> »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « gnome-menus »...
>> Traitement des actions différées (« triggers ») pour « hicolor-icon-theme
>> »...
>>
>> and finally
>> :~$ pd-extended -stderr -verbose
>> input channels = 0, output channels = 0
>> Pd-0.43.4 ("extended") compiled 09:20:08 Jan 20 2013
>> port 5400

>> TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd-**extended/lib/tcl/library"
>> TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/pd-**extended/lib/tk/library" wish8.5
>> "/usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl//pd-**gui.tcl" 5400

>> priority 6 scheduling enabled.
>> Waiting for connection request...
>> priority 8 scheduling enabled.

>> /usr/lib/pd-extended/bin/pd-**watchdog

>> ... connected
>> opened 0 MIDI input device(s) and 0 MIDI output device(s).
>> input channels = 0, output channels = 0

>> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.**conf", line 9: reading

>> configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
>> verbose(5): Using /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup as startup.

>> verbose(4): Loading /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**0.libdir.pd_linux
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**libdir/libdir.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**libdir/libdir.pd_linux and succeeded

>> verbose(3): libdir loader 1.9
>> verbose(3): compiled on Jan 20 2013 at 09:23:51
>> verbose(3): compiled against Pd version 0.43.4.extended

>> verbose(4): Loading /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**1.list.pd_linux

>> tried ./`Lp.l_ia64 and failed

>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`**Lp.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`**Lp.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`**Lp.l_ia64 and failed

>> tried ./`Lp.pd_linux and failed

>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`**Lp.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`**Lp.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`**Lp.pd_linux and failed

>> tried ./`Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed

>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`**Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`**Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`**Lp/`Lp.l_ia64 and failed

>> tried ./`Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed

>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/`**Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/`**Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/`**Lp/`Lp.pd_linux and failed
>> tried -meta.pd and failed
>> error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup
>> library'!
>>
>> verbose(4): Loading extra in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**extra
>> tried ./extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried ./extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/extra.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/extra.pd_linux and failed
>> tried ./extra/extra-meta.pd and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**extra/extra-meta.pd and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**extra/extra-meta.pd and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/extra-meta.pd and succeeded

>> verbose(3): libdir_loader: added 'extra' to the global objectclass path

>> verbose(14): Loaded libdir 'extra' from '/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**
>> extra'
>> verbose(4): Loading pdlua in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**pdlua
>> tried ./pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried ./pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**pdlua/pdlua.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**pdlua/pdlua.pd_linux and succeeded

>> watchdog: signaling pd...
>> verbose(3): pdlua 0.7.1 (GPL) 2012 Martin Peach, based on
>> verbose(3): lua 0.6~svn (GPL) 2008 Claude Heiland-Allen <
>> claudiusmaximus@goto10.org>
>> verbose(3): pdlua: compiled for pd-0.43 on Jan 20 2013 09:23:51

>> verbose(4): Loading tclpd in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**tclpd
>> tried ./tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried ./tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**tclpd/tclpd.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**tclpd/tclpd.pd_linux and succeeded
>> verbose(3): tclpd loader v0.3.0
>> verbose(3): tclpd: trying to load /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**
>> tclpd/tclpd.tcl...
>> verbose(3): tclpd: loaded /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**tclpd/tclpd.tcl
>> verbose(4): Loading vanilla in /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/**vanilla
>> tried ./vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried ./vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**vanilla/vanilla.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried ./vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and
>> failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**vanilla/vanilla.pd_linux and failed
>> tried ./vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and
>> failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**vanilla/vanilla-meta.pd and succeeded

>> verbose(3): libdir_loader: added 'vanilla' to the global objectclass path

>> verbose(14): Loaded libdir 'vanilla' from '/usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**

>> vanilla'
>>
>> If i try to open a new patch and create and [list], it has only one inlet.
>>
>> then i restart pd-ext, and If i try to open a new patch and [import list],
>> i get
>>
>> tried /home/batinste/list.l_ia64 and failed

>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/list.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**vanilla/list.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/pd-externals/**list.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/local/lib/pd-externals/**list.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**list.l_ia64 and failed
>> tried /home/batinste/list.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**extra/list.pd_linux and failed
>> tried /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/**vanilla/list.pd_linux and succeeded

>> verbose(3): [import] loaded library: 'list'
>>
>> Then i try to create a [list], it has 2 inlets.
>>
>> my .pdextended :
>>
>> audioapi: 2
>> noaudioin: True
>> noaudioout: True
>> audiobuf: 50
>> rate: 44100
>> callback: 0
>> blocksize: 64
>> nomidiin: True
>> nomidiout: True
>> npath: 0
>> standardpath: 1
>> verbose: 1
>> nloadlib: 0
>> defeatrt: 0
>> flags:
>>
>>

>> my /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.**pdextended :

>>
>> audioapi: 1
>> standardpath: 1
>> verbose: 0
>> defeatrt: 0
>> flags:
>> loadlib1: Gem
>> loadlib2: cyclone
>> loadlib3: zexy
>> loadlib4: creb
>> loadlib5: cxc
>> loadlib6: iemlib
>> loadlib7: list-abs
>> loadlib8: mapping
>> loadlib9: markex
>> loadlib10: maxlib
>> loadlib11: mjlib
>> loadlib12: motex
>> loadlib13: oscx
>> loadlib14: pddp
>> loadlib15: pdogg
>> loadlib16: pmpd
>> loadlib17: sigpack
>> loadlib18: smlib
>> loadlib19: unauthorized
>> loadlib20: pan
>> loadlib21: hcs
>> loadlib22: jmmmp
>> loadlib23: ext13
>> loadlib24: ggee
>> loadlib25: iem_anything
>> loadlib26: ekext
>> loadlib27: flatgui
>> loadlib28: chaos
>> loadlib29: pdp
>> nloadlib: 29

>> path1: /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-**conf.d/dirs/TrueType

>> npath: 1
>>
>>
>> if it's a bug, i'll happily file it.
>>
>> On 21/01/2013 02:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 5:52 PM, batinste wrote:
>>>
>>> On 20/01/2013 21:02, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/20/2013 06:36 AM, batinste wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was intrigued by this [$@< bug (mainly because i didn't knew about
>>>>>> this $@
>>>>>> thingy), so i decided to give it a try. Attached is my test patch. It
>>>>>> crashes
>>>>>> on my ubuntu 12.10 64bits, Pd-l2ork version 20130111 compiled 13:18:07
>>>>>> Jan 11
>>>>>> 2013, way before reaching 1000 args. I launch it in my terminal with :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~$ pd-l2ork test-dollar-at.pd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All i have to do is continuously move my mouse over the patch while
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> running, and it will crash around 100 args. You can also try to play
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> vslider, it will crash. OR (curiously), it won't crash when moving the
>>>>>> mouse,
>>>>>> but going in and out of edit mode or saving will make it crash...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a side note, look at the patch cord going out of the vslider : it
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>> weird to me, like attached a few pixels under the vslider, not directly
>>>>>> connected to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's worth a bug report! It worked for me: I left it alone for a
>>>>> while and
>>>>> it went to 24817, then once I clicked in the patch, it crashed
>>>>> instantly.
>>>>> Batinste, could you file a bug report and include your patch?
>>>>>
>>>>> ok !
>>>>
>>>>> Ok now, the fun part :
>>>>>> When i open this patch with pd-extended (Pd-0.43.4
>>>>>> ("extended-20130118")
>>>>>> compiled 09:30:52 Jan 18 2013), [list] only has one inlet (it should
>>>>>> have 2,
>>>>>> given that it's supposed to behave like [list append]) and when i want
>>>>>> to see
>>>>>> [list]'s help file, pd-ext opens bang's help file... When i open the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> patch with pd-l2ork, the lists do have 2 inlets. Oh, and pd-extended
>>>>>> happened
>>>>>> to display lists with their 2 inlets, but i can't reproduce this
>>>>>> reliably. I
>>>>>> tried to open the patch with -noprefs (to ensure that i didn't have a
>>>>>> forgotten [list] abstraction somewhere) same issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am i cursed or something ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've never seen the [list] with the single inlet bug. Can you send me
>>>>> a patch
>>>>> to reproduce it? I think that would happen if you run 'pd-extended
>>>>> -nostartup' which will prevent the list lib from being automatically
>>>>> loaded at
>>>>> startup.
>>>>>
>>>>> -noprefs won't disable loading from ~/pd-externals or
>>>>> /usr/local/lib/pd-externals since that's hard coded in Pd.
>>>>>
>>>>> .hc
>>>>>
>>>>> oops my bad, i did not see this : error: /usr/lib/pd-extended/startup/

>>>> **1.list.pd_linux: can't load startup library'!

>>>> It was with the patch i attached earlier.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Where you able to fix that error? That file is definitely included in the
>>> packages that I've tried.
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/01/2013 07:35, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu>
>>>>>>>> To: 'Jonathan Wilkes' <jancsika@yahoo.com>; 'Hans-Christoph Steiner'
>>>>>>>> <hans@at.or.at>
>>>>>>>> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:21 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [PD] enhance pd-extended with pd-l2ork featues ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Why not simply use pd-l2ork?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do, but possible reasons why someone might not use Pd-l2ork:
>>>>>>>>> * no binary for windows
>>>>>>>>> * no binary for OSX
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the flip-side pd-l2ork provides a solid, bug-free environment on
>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>> and looks a lot more contemporary than the aged default tk
>>>>>>>> iteration. In
>>>>>>>> other words, it is a targeted Linux distribution of pd (something
>>>>>>>> that can
>>>>>>>> be easily lost in a cross-platform effort with inadequate developer
>>>>>>>> support,
>>>>>>>> as I am sure Hans can attest to). At this point I would go as far as
>>>>>>>> challenge you to find something that does not work or exhibits a
>>>>>>>> buggy
>>>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $@ in msg box probably still crashes when incoming args > 1000 (same
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> pd-extended)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Jonathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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