windows 10, Pd-51.0-64

KioskNewWindow True
ShowMenu False
ScrollBars False

the kiosk.cfg is in the same map as the Pd-patch.

when opening a patch the menu-bar is still present,
it disappears after clicking in/on the patch window.

when opening a patch with several sub-patch windows already open,
the menu-bars are present, but Pd crashes when clicking on the sub-patch windows.
sometimes it's immediately at the first one, other times at the second or the third.

when opening the main patch first, and the sub-patch windows later
with a [vis 1( message  in the main patch, the timing seems important:

when using a [loadbang] - [del 100]  the menu-bars are still present, as is the crashing of Pd after clicking on the windows.

with [del 1000] the menu-bars are gone, and Pd does not crash.

rolf