heya,
I agree with Gerard here. The thing that would isolate "developers"
from
"users" is largely due to some kind of techno-elitism.
I think all developers are users, but not all users are developers.
Mind
you since "abstractions" can be considered programs just as entire
patches can be, clearly all users of PD are programmers in some sense.
Being a user who pretends to be a developers (or is it the other way
around?) I think its pointless to draw lines between groups, when
energy
is better spent in dialog and building bridges.
As for bounties I don't know what to say, I've been supported for GPL
projects though artist and government grants for a couple years now. I
do think that a PD NGO that has a specific mandate (like PD education
and advocacy, organizing and overseeing workshops and conferences, and
indeed supplying funding for specific development projects.) A PD NGO
could get "donations" and even apply for funding. It would be hard to
do
though, as anyone working in artist-run-centres knows.
B>
gerard van dongen wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:09:55 +0200, Thoralf
Schulze
<thoralf_schulze@yahoo.de> wrote:
hi everyone,
it's good to see that this issue is being discussed
here ...
what i don't like about the bounty
system, is the
idea of "competition"
or "hunt" which is not really compatible with
"community" to my mind.
I agree. Then again, the pd community (like
any other
open source community) is probably not as coherent as
it seems to be at a first glance: there are the
developers working on the software package and the
users that use it for whatever their purposes are.
There is a fundamental difference between developers
and users:
<rant>
No there isn't, especially for something like pd which is a programming
language as much as a program. There is a sliding scale between users
and programmers.
this whole difference between devs and users is artificial and a
product of the closed source software industry. </rant>
Not that everybody needs to code, but the idea that coding is a
fundamentally different activity from using is wrong. Part of the magic
computer mystique.
From this point of
view, bounties might be a good instrument to bring
developers and users closer together - after all, the
things that the average Joe User is missing in pd are
not necessarily less important than the new and nifty
things the average developer is implementing at the
same time.
The problem is the price tag. How much does it cost to implement
feature z, who determines who gets the job. Can I put up bounties for
features and then code them myself if some institution gives money?
Can
I code features first but keep them to myself untill somebody coughs
up
some dough?
Bounties might work for something where there are only two or three
developers and the program has a more strict licence than pd.
Use the money to pay some developers to come install and lecture on the
stuff. Start a pd development group locally. Or commision somebody for
a piece of music or an installation or a piece of software. Or get
some funky hardware for the money. Sensors and stuff like that.
The pd community is too loose for something really official. And I
personally like that.
another 2 c
Gerard
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