hello, 

apologies
I was wrong somewhere (maybe the order in the message?)
anyway, I rewrote my patch from the beginning and it's working now...

thanks for your help
stéfan

2011/10/20 <abel.jerome@free.fr>
> using negative coordinates doesn't change the fact that menubar is over the gemwin....
> [menubar 0( remove the dock, but not the menu bar (on the top...)

I don't know if someone tell you a solution.

On a Mac mini Intel/Pd.0.42.5.extended, I did it with this message, connected to gemwin :

[reset, border 0, menubar 0, dimen 1600 900, offset 0 -51<
|
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[gemwin]

Note : the "dimen" arguments must be your screen size.

Jerome

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