Em seg., 26 de out. de 2020 às 13:47, Christof Ressi <info@christofressi.com> escreveu:

MAX also has wiggling cables, so...
On a more serious note: Max/MSP is a full blown commercial production environment. You have video playback, graphics programming, a JavaScript interpreter, VST plugin hosting, etc. You can't really compare it to Pd anymore.

I agree, but [seq] has been there forever, before all that, before MSP I believe.

let's get rid of this idea that "vanilla only" is some kind of gold standard.

I'm taking care myself of about 600 externals (cyclone/ELSE/PSYCHO), so yeah, I get that :)

I still thought MIDI File support was something that could be built in ;) and I'm not all happy with the 2 externals around and thinking of investing more on a third one :)

cheers

Christof

On 26.10.2020 16:31, Christof Ressi wrote:
You mean as it is or with your PR?
Generally, most non-trivial programming tasks are a pain to do in a visual programming language.

I never used it because the organization of that help file scares me.
Then let's improve the help file! I have never used [cyclone/seq], so I can't compare, but [midifile] has always worked fine for me.

But MAX does.
MAX also has wiggling cables, so...
The idea of Pd has always been to keep the core as small as possible and extend it with externals/abstractions. Since we already have (at least) two decent MIDI file externals, why do we need to add it to the core?

Being "vanilla only" is not some kind of merit - it just means the author is being afraid of using externals ;-)

Christof

On 26.10.2020 17:13, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:

Em seg., 26 de out. de 2020 às 08:12, Christof Ressi <info@christofressi.com> escreveu:

I agree that we really need a way to read/write binary data. I have already thought about doing a PR to add such functionality to graphical arrays. It would be as simple as adding a flag to the [read( and [write( methods.

In theory, it would be possible then to implement a MIDI file reader/writer as a Pd abstraction. But to be honest, I think only a masochist would do that :-)

You mean as it is or with your PR?

On the other hand, mrpeach's [midifile] has always served me well and it's one of those things that don't really get obsolete.

I never used it because the organization of that help file scares me. Does it have any advantages over cyclone/seq?

So I don't think that Pd really needs built-in MIDI file support. After all, even a kitchen-sink language like Supercollider doesn't come with built-in MIDI file support.

But MAX does.
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