Thanks for the practical tips! Appreciated! 
It´s also good to be able to change the font and fontsize to a good windows standard, also another thing that was annoying when switching from Pd Extended to Pd Vanilla overcome! Consolas 12 seems like a good choice!

I think upon uninstall of Pd the extra folders are left untouched, so I think I will continue to have extra libraries there (pd/extra). Sometimes I read upon the importance of using /user/AppData/Roaming/Pd or Program/Common Files/Pd . How to think and act upon these considerations? I bet this been discussed alot before, maybe a new thread if not? Of course it is platform dependant and now here I am speaking windows considerations.

Here is pd -help list btw:
C:\pd\bin>pd -help
usage: pd [-flags] [file]...

audio configuration flags:
-r <n>           -- specify sample rate
-audioindev ...  -- audio in devices; e.g., "1,3" for first and third
-audiooutdev ... -- audio out devices (same)
-audiodev ...    -- specify input and output together
-audioaddindev   -- add an audio input device by name
-audioaddoutdev  -- add an audio output device by name
-audioadddev     -- add an audio input and output device by name
-inchannels ...  -- audio input channels (by device, like "2" or "16,8")
-outchannels ... -- number of audio out channels (same)
-channels ...    -- specify both input and output channels
-audiobuf <n>    -- specify size of audio buffer in msec
-blocksize <n>   -- specify audio I/O block size in sample frames
-sleepgrain <n>  -- specify number of milliseconds to sleep when idle
-nodac           -- suppress audio output
-noadc           -- suppress audio input
-noaudio         -- suppress audio input and output (-nosound is synonym)
-callback        -- use callbacks if possible
-nocallback      -- use polling-mode (true by default)
-listdev         -- list audio and MIDI devices
-asio            -- use ASIO audio driver (via Portaudio)
-pa              -- synonym for -asio
-mmio            -- use MMIO audio API (default for Windows)
      (default audio API for this platform:  MMIO)


MIDI configuration flags:
-midiindev ...   -- midi in device list; e.g., "1,3" for first and third
-midioutdev ...  -- midi out device list, same format
-mididev ...     -- specify -midioutdev and -midiindev together
-midiaddindev    -- add a MIDI input device by name
-midiaddoutdev   -- add a MIDI output device by name
-midiadddev      -- add a MIDI input and output device by name
-nomidiin        -- suppress MIDI input
-nomidiout       -- suppress MIDI output
-nomidi          -- suppress MIDI input and output

other flags:
-path <path>     -- add to file search path
-nostdpath       -- don't search standard ("extra") directory
-stdpath         -- search standard directory (true by default)
-helppath <path> -- add to help file search path
-open <file>     -- open file(s) on startup
-lib <file>      -- load object library(s)
-font-size <n>     -- specify default font size in points
-font-face <name>  -- specify default font
-font-weight <name>-- specify default font weight (normal or bold)
-verbose         -- extra printout on startup and when searching for files
-noverbose       -- no extra printout
-version         -- don't run Pd; just print out which version it is
-d <n>           -- specify debug level
-loadbang        -- do not suppress all loadbangs (true by default)
-noloadbang      -- suppress all loadbangs
-stderr          -- send printout to standard error instead of GUI
-nostderr        -- send printout to GUI instead of standard error (true by default)
-gui             -- start GUI (true by default)
-nogui           -- suppress starting the GUI
-guiport <n>     -- connect to pre-existing GUI over port <n>
-guicmd "cmd..." -- start alternatve GUI program (e.g., remote via ssh)
-send "msg..."   -- send a message at startup, after patches are loaded
-prefs           -- load preferences on startup (true by default)
-noprefs         -- suppress loading preferences on startup
-sleep           -- sleep when idle, don't spin (true by default)
-nosleep         -- spin, don't sleep (may lower latency on multi-CPUs)
-schedlib <file> -- plug in external scheduler
-extraflags <s>  -- string argument to send schedlib
-batch           -- run off-line as a batch process
-nobatch         -- run interactively (true by default)
-autopatch       -- enable auto-connecting new from selected objects (true by default)
-noautopatch     -- defeat auto-patching new from selected objects
-compatibility <f> -- set back-compatibility to version <f>


/Björn Eriksson


On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Lucas Cordiviola <lucarda27@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Björn, David:

There's a good windows way to manage loading libs and path.

Mainly is a .cmd file that is used to start pd with whatever options. 

With this folder structure:

Some parent folder (A)

A/externals

A/pd

A/x.cmd

(this folder struc keeps things in a modular way, so when the next Pd is released you can easily delete and replace.)

the .cmd file is just a text (saved as .cmd) that you can edit for whatever, it must be only one line and separeted with space (and also a TAB for better spacing)  for example:

%CD%\pd\bin\pd -noprefs -path %CD%\externals\cyclone -lib %CD%\externals\zexy -path %CD%\externals\mrpeach

%CD% passes the full path, so you can use it in a USB stick.


For an up-to-date list of startupflags browse the explorer to the pd/bin dir an do Shift-right-click in the white space until you get the option “open command window here” there type “pd -help” without “ “.

Try :

-font-face Consolas -font-weight normal -font-size 12

Consolas is a system font since win vista, it fits well in the boxes.


Salutti,
Lucarda


Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.



From: Pd-list <pd-list-bounces@lists.iem.at> on behalf of Björn Eriksson <miulew@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:23 PM
To: Pd-List
Subject: Re: [PD] Trying to get GEM going on Pd Vanilla / Win10
 
Thanks for clarifications IOhannes! 
I would really prefer to not declare anything with specific path references like this one with the Gem-0.93.3 folder. I understand it will induce problems if shared and if drives/sticks changes places, OS´s. The reason the versioned folder got there was due to the suggestion from Oliver to unzip all Gem.zip into the "extra" folder, which I did and got it there. I also tried to set path preferences  (from menu - File-Preference-Path, also File-Preference-Startup, but it seems that neither of them are remembered after restart of Pd. 

Will try to rename the versioned folder to just Gem.... instead of Gem-0.93.9  so to get rid of the dependecies. I hope it will work like that.

Guess I was happy that Gem finally started to work on this machine I am at, so didn´t see the fatalities of the versioned folder. (why is it anyway included in the zip-file if it causes this instabilties?)

All the best!
Björn Eriksson

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:25 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at> wrote:
On 2016-08-04 03:23, Björn Eriksson wrote:
> In the patch I do have to [declare -lib /Gem-0.93.3/Gem] or with direct
> path where Gem is installed, on my external harddrive that is [declare -lib
> G:/pd/extra/Gem-0.93.3/Gem].

well, that sounds like a bad layout.
the point of using [declare] is to create patches with dependency
information that is platform independent and sharable.

for instance it makes little sense to use [declare -lib
D:\bjoern\Pd-Projects\Gem-0.89\Gem]: while it might work, the patch will
break as soon as you give it away (or port it to another computer, that
is not running windows ANDOR has a cd-drive occupying the "D:" letter
rather than yoiur USB-stick ANDOR has a different filesystem layout
ANDOR ...

sp, if you put your externals into extra/, then you shouldn't use
version-prefixes.
if you do want to organise the directories the way you like, use the
preferences to add additional paths.

e.g. extracting Gem to D:\bjoern\Pd-Projects\Gem-0.89\Gem\ you could add
"D:\bjoern\Pd-Projects\Gem-0.89\" to your search-paths (in the
Pd-preferences) and then use [declare -lib Gem] in your patch.
then, if you want to migrate the patch to another machine, install Gem
to /home/bobby/projects/2018/external-pool/Gem/ and add
"/home/bobby/projects/2018/external-pool" to your Pd-preferences.
then run your patch.
without any modifications!


fgasdmr
IOhannes


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