is there is a good way for PD-vanilla to read and manipulate a list of lists like coll? or split lists? i can make my own [counter] and [swap] objects easily enough, but having no obvious and apparent means of storage/recall/manipulation, except arrays and tables which are one index one value. not trying to pull this off the licensing discussion, but i'm trying to point out a genuine storage/manipulation need here. i'm happy to stay with vanilla only if PD can do these things. [qlist] + [textfile] are the closest but seem to come with severe manipulation restrictions. cyclone comes with [zl] manipulation.