On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:59 PM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:

Joking aside, at least some externals that prove to be very useful or even fundamental (like zexy's sigops or [z~]) could find its way into the core now and then. To me, Pd vanilla seems to be overly conservative in this respect. On the other hand, I like that the set of objects is rather restricted, it's just about a handful of objects which I think are really missing and shouldn't require a user to get an external library.

And when there are already good externals which do an important job, why not include them? For example, Pd vanilla got its own set of OSC objects recently (nice!), but they are rather awkward to use and have far less functionality then, for example, the mrpeach objects (Miller actually refers to them in the help patch).

I feel like OF right now is where PD was circle early 2000s. At some point it will stabilize since so many people rely on it and get tired of bugs and breaking changes introduced by *so* many commits by so many people. IMO the OF core is now way too large and parts of it should be spun off as addons.

It makes more sense to have a solid, slim core which you can add functionality to -> externals. This way, we get stability at a (small) loss of convenience by having to add an external. deken will make this relatively painless once the next Pd release comes out.