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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
compare? (Jonathan Wilkes)
2. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
(errordeveloper@gmail.com)
3. Re: mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd (IOhannes m zmoelnig)
4. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Lorenzo)
5. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Andrew Faraday)
6. Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
(saint)
7. Re: video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds (Pedro Oliveira)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
compare?
To: quietdidit@gmail.com, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
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--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com> wrote:

From: Marco Donnarumma <devel@thesaddj.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these compare?
To: quietdidit@gmail.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:16 AM

>As many other said before, I personally think there is nothing to >compare. All of them are quite separate environments, and i mean not only >computing capabilities, flexibility and GUI, but above all each community >supporting the projects.

>"this" is not better than "that", it's only about what fit best your >needs.
>So first point out which are exactly your needs. Learning Pd can be >difficult and exhausting in the beg, but once you get familiar with it, I >can assure you it's only pleasure. And there is a world of things you >can't do with any other software. But you have to find out what.

Hi Marco,
What do you think makes learning Pd difficult and exhausting in the
beginning? Is it just a general learning curve, or are there speficic
issues you think could be improved for the future?

-Jonathan

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:38:37 +0000
From: errordeveloper@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
To: pd-list@iem.at
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Hans, that's excellent!

i was quite curious how kids could react to pd ..
hm ..i'd love to do some pd tutorials one day, and yeah i was thinking
about kids as well!

the only thing is that i couldn't check the video -
i still don't have sound working in flash with my soundcard setup ;(

may be you have the video somewhere else?
abby/cclive doesn't support blip.tv and i tried videosnag.com ..but it
didn't do anything ..

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:56:00PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New York.
> It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to experiment:
>
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
>
> .hc
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can
> change entire economies. - Amy Smith
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:22:05 +0100
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] mp3cast~ on ubuntu 9.10 crash pd
To: Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont@yahoo.fr>
Cc: pd-list <pd-list@iem.at>
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On 2010-03-17 20:53, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
> I tried to compile it from the svn.
> I manage to build the pd_linux (removing the -Werror flag) but the
> object is still crashing pd when connecting to the server...
> here is the log of the compilation, does anyone got an idea?
> thanks in advance:

could you try to produce a run it in a debugger (gdb), and broduce a
backtrace, like:

$ gdb pd -stderr mp3cast~-test.pd
(gdb) run
...
(gdb) backtrace
...

fgmasdr
IOhannes

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:48:22 +0100
From: Lorenzo <lsutton@libero.it>
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
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> Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New
> York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to
> experiment:
>
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
>
>
> .hc

Nice job.
Lorenzo
PS: One mac per student: lucky kids :)

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:18:52 +0000
From: Andrew Faraday <jbturgid@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
To: <hans@at.or.at>, <pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at>
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Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic, ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall?

> From: hans@at.or.at
> To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400
> Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
>
>
> Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New
> York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to
> experiment:
>
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
>
> .hc
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice,
> it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: saint <saintidle@yahoo.com>
Subject: [PD] Pd, Max/Msp, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule... How do these
compare?
To: pd-list@iem.at
Cc: Me <saintidle@yahoo.com>
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I do think that a big snag in the learning curve for some people is the initial provision of only very basic building blocks.

You pretty much have to download Pd and then get Miller's book (what I did) or FLOSS Manual/Andy Farnell's etc. (God I really want Andy's book! Broke atm!) and then devote a good few hours into getting off the ground.

What should really be implemented (I've seen some screenshots for the next release yes??) is the right-click style access to a menu organised into say, primitive objects, medium and high-level abstractions.

Initial users, say the casual VST synth Mike or Michelle, just want to...
1. Crack open a subractive synth. Play it. (High level).
2. Then dismantle it, see how it works and maybe make their own modular noise spewers from pre-formed building blocks. (Medium level).
3. Build their own building blocks to suit their own desire/dream/whim etc. (Low level)

Which is what Reaktor has. (Does the newer bubbly Max have that too?). So I can see the original poster's point.

Don't get me wrong, I love Pd (I'm here aren't I??!). But I also can't wait for it to evolve into a more user friendly and intuitive program (not at the expense of it's simplicity though!). There'll be more of us here then.

Or do we want to be like the Fixed-gear Cyclists? All exclusive and haircutty??! "Well, I was using Pure Data waaaay before it could emit a speaker beep..."

John.

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:30:17 +0100
From: Pedro Oliveira <pedroliveira@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
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This is amazing. I would love to do the same, and I mean: learning Puredata
since I was a kid and/or having the opportunity to teach such young minds
the power of Pd. Inspiring.

Way to go!

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Faraday <jbturgid@hotmail.com>wrote:

> Great to see this! I do a lot of my workshop teaching from a very basic,
> ground-up level. It's good to see that you can bring PD to that young an
> audience. Just curious, how long was this workshop overall?
>
> > From: hans@at.or.at
> > To: pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at
> > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:56:00 -0400
> > Subject: [PD] video of Pd Workshop for 11 year olds
>
> >
> >
> > Here's a video of a Pd workshop I taught with 11 year old kids in New
> > York. It was amazing how they picked it up and had so little fear to
> > experiment:
> >
> >
> http://eyebeam.org/press/media/videos/an-introduction-to-electronic-soundscape-design
> >
> > .hc
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
> > direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice,
> > it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
> >
> >
> >
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