I'm amazed just how much conversation this has caused, and I've only had a chance to skim-read all the replies that it's gained today so here's a couple of answers.
- Perhaps it's not really OOP, my idea was, like most web development services, to have an 'in line' embed of ruby (or another language, I can learn) within a pd object. thus allowing conditional logic and/or mathematical expressions to be contained within the arguments for that object.
- I realize that in terms of the end-product, PD can do most, if not all, operations most languages can, with the benefit of real-time operation and what is, certainly for newbies, a more readable data flow.
- It looks like there's a lot of debate going around, it was, largely a passing notion that started it. However I realize PD can do (probably) anything I would be likely to do with it using this embedded OOP (sorry if that is the wrong definition), it really was just "Hmmm, I wonder if ruby lines could be used in-line in Pd"
Once again, amazed by the response. Perhaps someone will make this happen at some point. Perhaps I should, although I'll probably have to learn some C first. Andrew
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:47:24 -0500 From: matju@artengine.ca To: lsutton@libero.it CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD OOP?
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I agree on this.. but why you say is it sad? It means Pd is modular like any sane programming 'environment'... You couldn't do much in a programming language using it vanilla no? (well apart from assembler maybe)... IMHO
It's sad because many of the most basic building blocks have to be provided outside of pd-vanilla, for things that are normally considered built-in in most any other language. We could ignore pd-vanilla but so many of us don't, and so, pd-vanilla's contents is still the common basis to all of us, instead of something more complete.
In the end though.. does it really make sense to compare Pd (and dataflow in general) to paradigms of 'written' languages?
I introduced the word "dataflow" in the pd community SO THAT we compare pd to other programming languages. The word is not in opposition to 'written', as there are also plenty of "dataflow" languages that are 'written', and there are also several wholly different kinds of "dataflow" languages, of which pd/max is only one family.
But why wouldn't it "really" make sense to do this comparison ? You don't even say that, as far as I can understand what you say.
I mean I do see a point in having something like Python easily usable within Pd (see my recent questions about Py), but this is dataflow, I guess if people (like me) love to use it it's because for doing this type of stuff [...] it's more fun than doing it in more 'traditional' languages like C(sound) and similar.
And what does that change about anything ? I don't see where you are going with that.
I won't say audio or I'll get flamed by Mathieu :)
So, according to you, is it a flame, to point out that people do whatever else using pd ?
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