oh sorry i should have been clearer.  yes i was referring to >~ and <~ specifically. pd vanilla can load both the > and < characters, and tilde~ characters too.    but pd extended can't load them together as part of the zexy library.

iohannes, i really appreciate all your hard work, and maybe my original mail looks a bit grouchy.  it wasn't meant to be.  i just think it's a real shame that pd-extended won't load these objects.  they used to load fine in earlier versions of extended.  personally i have just changed all my >~ objects to [expr~ $v1>n].