2017-10-20 18:19 GMT-02:00 Roman Haefeli <reduzent@gmail.com>:

Though I mostly agree with you, I disagree with the notion that raising
the same thing several times is necessarily a bad thing. I'm living in
a country where the people directly vote about some decisions. We would
live in medieval times still - so to speak - if we hadn't voted about
the same thing many times. 10 years later, the (Pd-) world might have
changed a bit and suddenly implementing [initbang] in Pd-vanilla is
considered nice and pretty.. How can you know?

That was exactly what I was thinking, thank you for pointing that out so I can give you a +1

And yeah, 10 years ago was sorta ages ago for Pd, many things have happened, like the demise of Pd Extended. There's this libpd thing and the need for it to be more self sufficient. And this feels like such a basic core functionality that I really wonder why not to have it somehow. So I really wonder if the reasoning from 10 years ago is still as pertinent now for the community as whole.

cheers