Oops, I'll be dammed, but [text] doesn't seem to handle "$0" in the same way.
Although it looks like a super [qlist], giving [text] a "$0" for an address symbol, such as "$0-test1", turns it into "0-test1"... so no deal for it.
I'm assuming it's not supposed to be something regarding an object design. As with [qlist] and [textfile], the issue is related to the way Pd doesn't handle $0 in messages. So unless it eventually does, I guess that the only thing left to do is to find some workarounds as discussed here.
"note that i'm not saying that this could not be done more conveniently on the Pd side. i'm only saying that you can build things yourself that do (more or less) what you want to do. and it's not that hard to create your own little set of helpers that do what you want (though probably not what I want)"
I get that, and I'm actually cool with the philosophy. The reason I insist is aimed to Pd's functionality as a whole, and I only mention one thing or another after giving it a good deal of thought and really believing it'd be a better user experience for other people. Specially beginners.
Actually, lots of this issues come up for me when I'm preparing patches for classes. And I'm also writing extensive documentation for Pd. So when I hit this issues I think of the students and all the people I want to lure into Pd, selling it as a very simple and fucntional environment.
Bur for example, now I'm teaching how to do sequencing, and I'd like to say that it just works if anyone needs [qlist] to send local messages. It's bad to not mention some limitations or to mention them and spend a lot of time on some clumsy workarounds to avoid them.
And for having taught Pd a lot, the $0 thing in messages is always something that stands out for some working around. It's fine by me, I'm just thinking of newcomers having to grasp these details, when I wonder if it all could just be solved internally on the way Pd is programmed to deal with messages.
I assume I have no idea of the hassles involved, but I have the idea that there must be a few options to solve this. It can't be impossible.
Well, one way or another, this is just a humble opinion. It's my two cents on the subject. I don't see any problem emerging from the capability of messages inheriting $0, and it'd be totally backwards compatible to older patches. Moeover, [qlist] and [text] could send messages to local receives.
cheers
2014-04-03 13:45 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres porres@gmail.com:
Miller proposed to use the new [text] class introduced in 0.45
Oh I see, didn't know about it. It really seems like it's the option for more flexibility than [qlist] can handle. Will try it out. cheers
2014-04-03 3:38 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli reduzent@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 20:49 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
By the way, haven't been really able to make it work well with [textfile]. If you get a symbol with $0-symbol from a text file, you can't use it to work as an address for [send].
Miller proposed to use the new [text] class introduced in 0.45, not the old [textfile]. I haven't checked myself, but according to him this would solve all your trouble as it allows - if I understand correctly - to take literal $0 strings that get expanded only at reading time. (Is that what you meant, Miller?)
Roman
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