nice paper! just to add something to the discussion: "In the best of circumstances the artists are around to remind us of their needs, which often turn out quite different from what either of us first imagined."
From my point of view this stage where we have a discussion between
artists and programmers was eliminated at the moment when Pd was perceived to be a programming language (which it somehow is) as opposed to a computer music instrument. Look at Pd as a programming language and artists using Pd to program/build their instruments. Then, artists are doing this in their function as programmers and not as musicians. The interchange between artist and software writer/instrument builder has to take place in a schizophrenic manner inside oneself. Otoh, this means that a lot of the discussion we are seeing today about improvements or new features are really discussions between two types of programmers: the ones that write Pd, and the ones that write *with* or *in* Pd. This is really a trap, because the original citation above does not take into account that another type of programmer would pop up between the artist and the software writer that just wants to improve features to use Pd as a tool to build instruments. Needs on this level are somehow ignored because they are no artistic needs. Otoh, this also built a wall/gap between artists and core Pd developers, because artists nowadays mostly talk to people who use Pd as a programming language unless even more people admit to wear more than one hat. best, marius.
2009/8/19 Miller Puckette mpuckett@imusic1.ucsd.edu:
That's pretty much it... There's some discussion in: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Publications/dartmouth-reprint.dir/
cheers Miller
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:21:12AM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Here's a little historical question I'm curious about: why wasn't the rightmost inlet on all objects originally made to be the hot/active inlet?
The one benefit I see to having the leftmost inlet be the hot inlet is that names of objects are more likely to be left-aligned. Is that basically the reason?
-Jonathan
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