One nice thing about the unix philosophy from a cretive person's point of view is that you do not necessarily have to use one, monolithic tool (software) to do everything. IMHO this leaves much more space to expreimentation, trial, unorthodox ways of doing things, eventually less standardised and less canned creations.
This may sound a bit provocative.. but, do we really need to do 'everything' in Pd? For example for realtime scores this is rather interesting (and I must say quite appealing visually):
www.iannix.org
It uses OSC, which Pd supports (not sure what the 'out-of-the-box' vanilla support status is.. anyway).
For a piano + electronics (a.k.a. 'tape') piece I once used Inkscape for an expressive representation of the electronic part matched to the piano part in traditional notation... I was using qjackctrl always on top to play the piece and keep track of the bars, and had to hack the SVG to import the Lilipond score :-)
Bottom line. The best IMHO is that Pd is very interoperable at various levels, so JACK audio, midi, OSC, FUDI, TCP, [your favouritestandard here].
Then obviously this doesn't _exclude_ the fact that (usable) data structures are nice :-)
My two cents. Lorenzo.
On 04/12/2014 10:35, Julian Brooks wrote:
There is a fairly long-standing tradition of graphic scores made, post-copmosition, of electronic music - standard practice in Electroacoustic tuition for example.
Yet there still isn't much around that makes the auditory/visual connection explicit (Xenakis' UPIC and its derivatives being one of the classic examples).
For those interested in notational aspects and approaches within electronic music just the idea itself of data structures is hugely stimulating - you could even go so far to state that it's somewhat of a 'holy grail'.
I'm interested in data structures precisely because they don't work so well - it's a worthwhile problem. The now well-worn, almost clichéd story that DS's were one of the major original impetuses for Pd's existence, and 20 years later they're still a work in progress, I think shows that this shit ain't easy.
Hans' DS composition from a few years back has travelled far and wide (it's in one of the classic recent books on graphic scores - on the front cover even!) so it's a shame that there's not much else to show for them in recent years.
Ligeti rocks btw, proper hardcore.
Regards,
Julian
On 4 December 2014 at 09:10, i go bananas <hard.off@gmail.com mailto:hard.off@gmail.com> wrote:
and how many years work would it take to do that in pd data structures? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Chris McCormick <chris@mccormick.cx <mailto:chris@mccormick.cx>> wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71hNl_skTZQ -- http://mccormick.cx/ _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _______________________________________________ Pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at> mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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