Hi Miller, yes Bill and others on the Stanford cmdist list have been super helpful and supportive. I was very disappointed not to get to visit this spring for the CCRMA workshops, darned covid! I spent a couple of months evaluating lisp/scheme possibilities last fall before settling on S7, and have been very happy with the choice. Embedding and the FFI are extremely simple, the Common Music stuff "just works", and it really does fit the tradeoffs we want for computer music well. It has worked even better than I hoped and expected in Max, and given the responses here so far, I will embark on a PD port too. :-)
Thanks for the responses everyone, they are very encouraging. I imagine I will need to focus on the V2 for max for the next couple of months but will get going on PD port too, hopefully possible next semester!
iain
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 9:07 AM Miller Puckette msp@ucsd.edu wrote:
Pd also doesn't do "namspaces" so that reason holds for Pd as well. ALSO, the people at Stanford are very open-source-friendly so having S7 in Pd will probably get some uptake there.
cheers Miller
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 08:51:20AM -0700, Iain Duncan wrote:
Thanks Brad and Joe. Brad, yes I found your work when I was doing
research,
and it was good validation that such a thing could work! I wound up going with S7 over Common Lisp as the embedding story is really simple, and I like the way S7 has CL macros but one simple namespace (similar to
Clojure
and Janet) which works nicely in Max.
iain
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:35 AM Brad Garton garton@columbia.edu wrote:
This sounds like a terrific project!
I don't know if this is of interest, but I wrote a Common Lisp
interpreter
object for Max/MSP awhile ago. The interpreter was implemented in
java, so
I'm not sure if it runs with contemporary Max/MSP-s (they dropped
explicit
java support, but I've heard from some that it still works).
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/__...
brad
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM Joe Deken <newblankets@newblankets.org
wrote:
Hello Ian, (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be
the
-- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? --From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and
capability
into Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself. (I am
warped
by having conversations with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible
years
myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth,
with
giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his shop and among his disciples at CSAIL.
Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New
Blankets
is happy to offer resources for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not
the
dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) -- Such PdW would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs -- you could
present
your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would
riff
on your schemes and move them forward. At first attempt, this
Pd-Weekend
could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at
say:
--
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/__;!!Mih3wA...
A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements.
(Some
antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...)
On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:
1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (IainDuncan)
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700 From: Iain Duncan iainduncanlists@gmail.com To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open
source
external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter using
S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd
and
Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and
live
code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from
files
or
message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and
from
common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be
doing a
new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning
it
into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the Common
Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in
S7
scheme or SAL)
I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted
to
check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the idea
of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on
more
than
one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use
cases
and
things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a significant amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting
to
folks first.
You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you
want
to
see what I'm getting at.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg__;!!...
Comments, questions, feedback welcome.
Iain
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200 From: IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig@iem.at
...
so now that you ask: i think it would be great.
gfadmsr IOhannes
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200 From: "Peter P." peterparker@fastmail.com
...
It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part
of an
open-source licensed external indeed.
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100 From: Andy Farnell padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk
....
Would love to see Scheme come to Pd. Thanks for that Iain.
Andy
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200 From: ub ub@xdv.org
....
i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head
inside out. %-)
would be absolutely great to have that in pd!
cheers,
ub
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