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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Question on SSSAD and scalability (Frank Barknecht)
2. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?
(IOhannes m zmoelnig)
3. Re: steep filter? (Frank Barknecht)
4. Re: Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th
deadline! (Frank Barknecht)
5. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Derek Holzer)
6. Re: The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late? (Jaime Oliver)
7. Re: Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin (Georg Holzmann)
8. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Derek Holzer)
9. Re: Problems accessing Pdlist Archives (Alex Lucas)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:54:44 +0100
From: Frank Barknecht <fbar@footils.org>
Subject: Re: [PD] Question on SSSAD and scalability
To: pd-list@iem.at
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Hallo,
Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Frank Barknecht <fbar@footils.org> wrote:
>
> The context that I was actually thinking was in trying to do "live
> coding". Of all the times that I have been using SSSAD, my biggest
> complaint about it is that I would always need to resave, close, and
> reopen the file. It always seemed that the one instance of an SSSAD
> reference that I was deleting was the FIRST ONE. Of course, doing that
> was sure to make that parameters NOT SAVE, unless I reopened.

A closebang would solve this. It will probably happen less often with local
sssads.

> > Now if you really worry about the load of having a lot of
> > [route]-misses when sending message, I'd recommend to use the "local"
> > senders in sssad, that are used when adding a second argument to a
> > [sssad] object: [sssad key $0] will use a bus called [r $0-SSSAD] and
> > [r $0-SSSAD_ADMIN] instead of the global ones.
>
> My whole point of bringing this up has more to do with how an
> "external" (yes, actual C code) might be able to implement the SSSAD
> protocol. I can think of MANY EXTERNALS that would benefit by doing
> this...
>
> At the same time, that might make it appear that SSSAD is an accepted
> standard in Pd. And Miller, himself has written on this very topic...
> So, what is the means of storing data... is there one?

Storing data is not in the realm of sssad - again this is by design and comes
from my experience with RRADical/Memento where the storage was inside the
saving system and tied to [pool].

SSSAD is intended to to just one thing but do that right: Its purpose is to
eavesdrop on the messages that objects send to each other and distribute them
to rsp. modify them from a central place. That's all. What comes after that
central place is up to the end user. It would be easy to make an external that
does the same. sssad is just a wrapper around [list], [route] [send] and
[receive]. One "S" in its name stands for "simple". ;)

> I'm curious, but how many "externals" do you have with RjDj? I can
> only assume that you can't do too much with it, other than the basic
> implementation of Pd.

Hm, I don't understand this question? RjDj is pretty much pure Pd and has
almost no externals at all - which doesn't mean that you can't do much with it:
For audio work Pd is very powerful and no externals are (strictly) necessary.

Ciao
--
Frank

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:02:29 +0100
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?
To: danomatika <danomatika@gmail.com>
Cc: "pd-list@iem.at" <pd-list@iem.at>
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danomatika wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote:
>
>> paper submit page:
>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php
>>
>> paper upload page (once you have submitted it):
>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php
>
> Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ...
>

you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations,
workshops and papers with the above two links.

fgmasdr
mfasdf.
IOhannes

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:25:28 +0100
From: Frank Barknecht <fbar@footils.org>
Subject: Re: [PD] steep filter?
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Hallo,
Jo?o Pais hat gesagt: // Jo?o Pais wrote:

> yes, I had seen that graphic as well. but trying out the highpass
> iemfilters with noise, turns out that 10 hip~s work better.

Hehe, I guess that's because you filter noise: It's harder to recognize the
noise that the 10 hip stages added. :)

> I looked in my list of pd-ext objects, but found no elliptic filters. are
> there any, or any way of getting their coefficients to use with biquad~?

Elliptic filters are rather hard to design, most of the time you will find
Butterworth or Chebyshev designs in our little audio world.

A biquad~ has only two poles and zeroes, so you would need to cascade several
stages to get a really sharp filter.

Ciao
--
Frank

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:30:59 +0100
From: Frank Barknecht <fbar@footils.org>
Subject: Re: [PD] Unified Library was Re: Call for GSoC mentors! March
9th deadline!
To: PD List <pd-list@iem.at>
Message-ID: <20090316083059.GC15510@footils.org>
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Hallo,
hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote:

> yeah sorry frank, i should have explained more clearly.
>
> i also think that no GUI is the way to go for functional abstractions. that
> was the big flaw of the DIY library i did, that the function of the
> abstractions was tied in with the gui component. i did it that way because
> i didn't want to clutter the namespace with too many abstractions, and the
> thought of one abstraction for function, and then a different one for GUI
> was not appealing at the time.
>
> but now, i think that is the only way to go. like, as you said, for
> polyphony. and then also for the many many cases in which you'd want to
> build your own gui for custom control.

Yeah, basically that was all I wanted to say as well. ;)

> i do think you guys have got a really really strong system there with
> rjlib. but i was just saying that without the gui stuff, it doesn't exactly
> fit into being that 'all purpose building blocks' library that we are
> discussing.

Yes, that's true. rjlib has its focus on audio and control abstractions to be
used on mobile devices with vanilla Pd. Some of this fits into a "all purpose"
library, but a lot of it doesn't.

Ciao
--
Frank

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:41:32 +0100
From: Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
Cc: PD List <pd-list@iem.at>
Message-ID: <49BE10BC.4010908@umatic.nl>
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My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible.
Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have
already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to
write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of
people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody
ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I
could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but
these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at .

D.

--
::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista :::
http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista :::
---Oblique Strategy # 15:
"Ask your body"

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:49:46 -0700
From: Jaime Oliver <jaime.oliver2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] The PdCon09 webpage is down ... am I too late?
To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at>
Cc: danomatika <danomatika@gmail.com>, "pd-list@iem.at"
<pd-list@iem.at>
Message-ID:
<616283880903160149i6d48d63br41d7f8bc5c8197ba@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

hi everyone i have been trying for hours to upload the pdf form, but
it doesn't work for me, should I just try to send it by e-mail?

J

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:02 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at> wrote:
> danomatika wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:58 +0100, IOhannes m zm?lnig wrote:
>>
>>> paper submit page:
>>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/submit.php
>>>
>>> paper upload page (once you have submitted it):
>>> http://pdcon09.devolts.org/author/upload.php
>>
>> Thanks IOhannes, but I'm looking for the performance application ...
>>
>
> you can (or "could", by now) submit performances, installations, workshops
> and papers with the above two links.
>
> fgmasdr
> mfasdf.
> IOhannes
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:54:12 +0100
From: Georg Holzmann <grh@mur.at>
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd book sprint in NYC/Berlin
To: Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>
Cc: PD List <pd-list@iem.at>
Message-ID: <49BE13B4.4030400@mur.at>
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Derek Holzer schrieb:
> My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible.
> Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have
> already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to
> write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another room full of
> people sitting behind laptops across the ocean somewhere? Does anybody
> ever actually watch these video streams from meetings like these? I
> could see some sense if there was some sort of presentation aspect, but
> these will be working sessions, i.e. very boring to look at .

You are right.
And if one really wants to speak/see each other, one can use ekiga,
skype or whatever ...

LG
Georg

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:57:30 +0100
From: Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>
Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives
To: Alex Lucas <alex3lucas@googlemail.com>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: <49BE147A.4080709@umatic.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Alex,

I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at:

http://puredata.info/community/lists

Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you.

best!
Derek

Alex Lucas wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist
> Archives by following the link on this page
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list. Has anyone else had the
> same problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link?

--
::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista :::
http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista :::
---Oblique Strategy # 173:
"Voice your suspicions"

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:16:49 +0000
From: Alex Lucas <alex3lucas@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PD] Problems accessing Pdlist Archives
To: Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID:
<6b61086c0903160216m79ba0ecch27b317a42038faf7@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Derek,

Thanks for your help, I really like markmail!

Thanks,
Alex

2009/3/16 Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>

> Hi Alex,
>
> I had the same problem yesterday. There are three alternates listed at:
>
> http://puredata.info/community/lists
>
> Gmane, Mail Archive and Markmail. One of those should work for you.
>
> best!
> Derek
>
>
> Alex Lucas wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Over the last couple of days I haven't been able to access the Pdlist
>> Archives by following the link on this page
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list. Has anyone else had the same
>> problem or dose anyone know of an alternative link?
>>
>
>
> --
> ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista :::
> http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista :::
> ---Oblique Strategy # 173:
> "Voice your suspicions"
>
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