you really show the level of discussions here ...
lower than the gutter, where i puke..
i'm aware i wrote off-list but now i put it back on the list to show your real face.
i'm mainly laughing of your childish remarks.
Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Oh boy, are you aware you're writing me off list? Cause you don't seem to realize how emails work and you have problems with it :) right dumbass? Well, I bet you didn't mean to, you silly person...
I was filtering the emails sent to the pd-list so I wouldn't have to deal with you for a while. And I did it correctly and I remembered I did it. Unlike you, you fucking pathetic moron, hahahah, that was so funny by the way... accusing IOhannes to filter your messages and then it turns out it was your fucking filter, ahahahahaha. Well, you are very funny, but funny for being ridiculous.
But anyway, here you are, writing to me off list and I'm getting it... and I had to check the latest scene the old grumpy man that acts like a crying baby or a bitchy teenager was doing now at the list.
You're funny, but you're also sad, again me with mixed feelings. I'm still actually sorry for you, and it's even sadder how you don't realize you have clear issues. It's sad cause you're hopeless... what a sad existence... but also fuck you, right? As you're just an annoying sick asshole. And I knew you were going to keep being the asshole you've always been, so I'm disengaging from the list interaction as promised, and thanks for the opportunity to tell you to fuck off in private then <3 I have to say it does feel pretty good to tell you to fuck off, you fucking moron <3
Let's see if someone else will handle you at the list, or if they'll just ignore the troll... maybe they'll take "unauthorized" out of deken to make you happy and get rid of you, but if you really care about people not using unauthorized, I tried telling you this was useless. You're so fucking retarded that you don't seem to get it... for the last time, you should note that people will still be using unauthorized in Pd-L2ork/Purr Data, and you should bug them for that.
At one point I thought about uploading a new version of unauthorized to deken just to piss you off, but I've been looking at it, and it's such a crappy library, some objects don't even work, others are just bad. I guess people were including any crap back in the extended days, favoring quantity over quality. It's a good thing Extended died in the end, as we can get rid of your stupid code.
Enough attention for you, you must be sad and lonely, desperate for attention, but you're now also filtered here... bye bye, fuck you, fuck you very very much, please don't stay in touch...
talk to the hand now...
yeh, get a cure, i'm doing well
autorship was about pd OpenCV if you can't read anything clearly,
and it's mainly from Luis Gomez i Bigorda and me if you can't even remember details.
at the same time, yes, removing unauthorized from Deken
would please me.
i write in bold so you can remember.
and we have absolutely whatsover ANY personal relationship,
so drop your comments about my attitude.
yeh, friends told me about the mood in your convention,
and i don't regret i wasn't there,
i don't go in a colony for boyscouts.
all your old rancors really show that you are sick, not more.
chevil@giss.tv
Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Em dom., 24 de nov. de 2024 às 21:18, ydegoyon @gmail.com <ydegoyon@gmail.com> escreveu:
> they can fork it and even thank the author,
> but never pretend they are the author, dumb ill man.
Unauthorized - the piece of software I was talking about - clearly has you as the author. I don't know and I'm not sure others know what you're talking about with PiDip being stolen by an "unknown youngster", and I think you are an intelligent man as to realize we're not shipping PiDip anywhere and that you are not talking to whoever you are accusing of stealing your work without credit. And ohboy, you're really trying hard to offend me in a petty way :) I'm sorry I got that way into your head.
I didn't wanna brag about it, but I also have a 3rd divergent trait, which is being highly gifted. My IQ scored way above average and it masks my issues, as when I'm challenged by them, the score drops to "average". Since you're so interested in my conditions, check this diagramhttps://tendingpaths.wordpress.com/2022/12/12/updated-autism-adhd-giftedness-venn-diagram/ (actually I'd like to raise awareness, this is really helping me).
> unauthorized ( the real one, kept in GISS.tv git ) now have the same license as PiDiP
I said I cloned from your git <git clone http://giss.tv/~git/git.cgi/unauthorized.git>. The license in there, in all the objects I checked, was still 'GPL'. If you changed it, you don't seem to have updated it or made new versions based on your new license in the "real repository, kept in GISS.tv".
I'm actually curious about the license discussion as I don't know much about it. As I see it, once you release a version with the GPL license, people can fork it and redistribute it forever. I bet the Pd people know a lot about licensing and that is why 'unauthorized' was kept in Extended.
You somehow seem to want us to "remove" unauthorized from somewhere. Well, where? We're not shipping it. We're not maintaining it. I am actually trying to help you understand the situation. We're all on the same page that "unauthorized" should not be used. So I hope you realize how pointless this discussion is. You don't seem to get things even being so smart and after multiple explanations. If it's still confusing, I'll just give up.
I also added the information that, currently, the ones who are still shipping unauthorized are Pd-L2ork and Purr Data. You can try and reach and have a fight with them, but I don't think you can get it out of there in the same way you couldn't get it out of Extended.
The extended libraries were once uploaded to be installed in Vanilla via our deken plugin. It was important to have these libraries around in a transition phase period when Extended quite unfortunately ceased and people were adapting. There are new libraries being maintained and with alternatives. Unauthorized is dead, abandoned, no one is maintaining it or making new uploads. There's an old version there which doesn't even run on newer machines and it has the old license and explains how it was forked and even points to your original repository. Isn't that good enough? Do you want us to upload a new version with the new license so people can install from deken? Can we leave it at that? Do you want it out of deken? Under what reasoning?
It's part of my personal mission to offer alternatives from old and abandoned libraries, from Extended and elsewhere. I already have alternatives for a couple of objects I used from unauthorized, like [grid] (I got [slider2d] and [pad] in ELSE for that). Yeah, I lied I "never used it", but I don't consider that using a couple of objects when I was using Extended means I actually knew your library.
For the record, I will reinforce that now that I have unauthorized cloned, I will look again on what's in there for real, see if something is worth having an alternative to. And regarding the topic of the thread, I'll investigate more about what we have in Pd regarding streaming and will look into adding those things into ELSE (and in PlugData by extension).
> i might be ill too, but would not expose this on a mailing list.
You're exposing yourself a lot though, seriously. Hey, time for a peace offering here. I'll be bluntly honest, but I don't wanna get into this petty silly exchange of offenses. You do seem to have mental issues in the way you expose yourself and I'm actually changing the way I feel about you.
It's ok for you to expose whatever you deal with, but I agree you shouldn't expose them to justify your behaviour as people don't have to take crap because you're not ok. And it's not like you want to justify anything and be sorry for whatever you're doing, you're actually doubling down. My case differs and, for starters, it's not an "illness", they're divergent traits, and I'm not using anything as an excuse to justify any rude/offensive behaviour. On the contrary, I was defending myself from silly attacks and insults, implying I'm stupid or something ;) Whatever you have or don't have technically, an illness or not, what I see is a confused and grumpy dude. Regardless of the case, I'm actually just getting sorry for you.
My condition makes it really hard for me to not be bluntly honest. It can haunt me for a lifetime if I hold things. For instance, you were a real prick at PdCon09. It was a nightmare dealing with you all along. I regret I invited you, insisted on your coming, paid for your stuff, made sure you had all you needed, because at literally the last minute you simply missed the flight we had paid for you. I never told you how that made me feel (I was also pretty busy at the event) and here I still am, finding the need to tell it to your face how that screwed us, how I wish I had invited somebody else instead, and how you were just a dick about it. I don't need to expose the details, people can just imagine how uncool it was. It's nice to let it out, offer you a happy song and tell you how it felt, but I'm now having mixed feelings and it's true I'm also just sorry to realize you're still struggling with whatever haunts you after so many years.
Ok, it is out, let bygones be bygones. I'm done. None of this concerns the Pd-list, but I wanted to clear this wasn't just some silly engagement without a history. On the other hand, you're also coming back here and being offensive and rude in general again. You're just revisiting how you mistreated people about 14 years ago out of nowhere. So I'd like to clarify why I took the stand and had the initiative to deal with you and not let you have it easy this time around, and push you back if you're just gonna make a scene again. I see others have an easier way of handling this and just ignore you. That's way harder for me, but it gets easier after I let things out.
I think the community is open to welcoming you back if you can hold it together, as this is what was happening, you were being treated nice, after all you did, but you blew it. To be honest, I poked you and pushed you back cause I don't count on your ability to behave. But if I'm wrong and you can be nice, welcome back :) anytime!
Really, I'd be glad to collaborate and let bygones be bygones, and help with what's troubling you. If you’re open to a more productive approach and can keep things civil, I’m happy to exchange. However, if that's not the case, I’ll disengage and I guess others won't bother much as well.
cheers