yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea? 

I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~

It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/,  !-~, !/~, !=~, <=~,  >=~, %~, +=~

I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't know about.

So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading them with it and nothing happened. 

It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]?

cheers


2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl>:
Hi Alexandre,

The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before:
!-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~
They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be
part of your distribution. The source code is in
externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.

As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make
them available again.

Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:
http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html.

Greetings,

Fred Jan

On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more
> compability.
>
> Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several
> objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves
> well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening
> the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very
> incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing
> any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been
> reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything,
> seems pointless.
>
> More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that
> no human being is using this...
>
> Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these?
>
> cheers
>
> 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl
> <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>:
>
>     Hi Alexandre,
>
>     >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related
>     >> library objects will not be build anymore.
>     >
>     > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?
>
>     What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops
>     "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The
>     hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available
>     as separate objects.
>     >
>     > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can
>     > you give us an example on how to use it?
>
>     As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make
>     importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy
>     objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The
>     idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The
>     dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone.
>
>     It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a
>     long time ago.
>
>     The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just
>     in time:
>     http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html.
>
>     >
>     > cheers
>
>     Greetings,
>
>     Fred Jan
>     >
>     > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>
>     > <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl>>>:
>     >
>     >     Hi All,
>     >
>     >     Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the
>     >     Cyclone library?
>     >
>     >     The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP
>     >     patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already
>     >     supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In
>     >     addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and
>     >     signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage
>     >     are individual objects.
>     >
>     >     Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all
>     >     Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the
>     >     building process and remove potential unused functionality.
>     >
>     >     No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library
>     >     objects will not be build anymore.
>     >
>     >     Fred Jan
>     >
>     >     P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but
>     >     here is a copy:
>     >     http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html
>     >
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