On Mar 17, 2016 2:03 PM, "Esteban Viveros" <emviveros@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> If you are determined to update all the docs to reflect this change, don't forget the PD_META which currently requires the use of 0 as the first inlet. Updating tooltips will also require changes accommodate for this alteration.
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> I did not attack me so... Rename in there have some implication? If no, I will start to rename...

This is where tooltips pull their documentation information when you hover with your mouse over inlets, outlets, or the object itself. These changes will require changes in C, GUI, and may also affect compatibility between vanilla and pd-l2ork. My advice would be at this point not to worry about it and focus on other aspects until we think this through a little bit.

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>> Best,
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>> Ico
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>> On 3/17/2016 1:13 PM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
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>>> Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things in order to eliminate future confusion.
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>>> Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and understand for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user to this problematics?
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>>> I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and to use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1  $2 $3, if he use $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more step for who are learning many more steps...  (please correct me if I'm wrong with regard to the behavior pd)
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>>> Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename inlets and outlets I can make like meditation! :P
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>>> I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if needed I can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time.
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>>> Cheers
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>>> Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@vt.edu> escreveu:
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>>>> Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the world'o'comp sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0 is the 1st number in any kind of data container, whether it be value or ordinal position. Yet, as humans we prefer 1 to be that first number, reserving 0 as the special case value. So, you could make the case either way arguing for consistency, intuitiveness, aliens, whatever. Another consideration within the pd* ecosystem is that it is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0 (patch instance) before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to the first arg, so you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. etc.
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>>>> On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through every last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly, otherwise you would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers learn that some help files refer to the first inlet as 0 and others as 1...
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>>>> On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros wrote:
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>>>>> Hi,
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>>>>> I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision of some Help patches.
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>>>>> The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if Pd user have to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For help patch user don't be more convenient enumerate inlets and outlets starting at number 1?
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>>>>> Cheers
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