Hi, I've seen around this listed in a few pages as a pd object pvoc~ an additive synthesis phase vocoder is it out there somewhere for real? cant find it. Oh, by the way. is there some Classic old school frequency band vocoder implemented as a Pd patch somewhere around? I dont mean miller's "timbre stamp" example, or a few objects I've seen, or the bark spectrum phase vocoder from timbreID. Got it? --------- By the way, I'm preparing a new update on my tutorials I've been using on FFT workshops. Will put them out here soon. They started off in portuguese, but I've been converting them to english. Oh, and here's something ironic; this is a very cool Phase Vocoder tutorial as I pointed out http://cycling74.com/2006/11/02/the-phase-vocoder-–-part-i/ . It shows how to do it in polar and cartesian form, but I never tested their patches. So I got curious and downloaded max 6 demo to try them. The cartesian form actually doesn't seem to work well at all! And it is totally based on Miller's I07 example patch. Anyway, I did a polar version of the phase vocoder with [cartopol~] / [poltocar~] objetcs. It does look much simpler and easier to understand. So, I will put them out soon. Thanks