To save extra discussion energy and *possibly* let the “cat out of the bag” let me say this: just wait a bit, something good is in the works to offer a solution to many of these problems.I won't say anything more until the parties involved feel they are ready.On Jun 6, 2015, at 11:39 AM, pd-list-request@lists.iem.at wrote:I know I'm missing much of the technical details, but my idea is that if Pd Extended is up and running, it should be fairly easy for people to update libraries (like Fred is doing with cyclone now) and release an updated version with the updated objects... meaning we didn't have to wait for two years for a bug fix. But somehow this only makes sense in the "vanilla route".