On 02/24/2014 03:03 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:Let's just focus on a single feature-- "$@"-- and assume that there is widespread desire for such a feature by most Pd users.
Exactly. If we can build a list of things that should/could be in the core, then we have a starting place to see if there is a way to work into into either vanilla or a wrapper like libpd.
How do we put this feature into a wrapper like libpd? The only thing I can think of is as part of a patch set that get applied to core Vanilla, and that's hard to maintain.
As for working stuff into Vanilla-- that's Miller's personal version of Pd, and I've never once seen him state that it's the reference client, or that it's at the top of any hierarchy. All I've seen is passive-aggressive statements from other devs on this list who say, "You'll have to ask Miller if you want to get 'whatever' in Vanilla," when I ask about the kind of issues you're talking about. Of course I can't be certain but I'd guess that style of non-development is probably one of the biggest sources of your frustration.
But I really will help you implement whatever it is you think improves sustainable development for Pd. I really, really don't want to extract patches from the 1000+ commits in Pd-l2ork (granted the core/non-graphical changes would be fewer), but I'll help you do it if that's the path you want to take.
-Jonathan
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