I see now.  My guess is that this issue is related to the very large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries loaded by default.  Could you guys try a couple things:

- take "hexloader" out of the start up libs and try opening

- take all of the libs out of the startup prefs and try opening

The GOP issue seems different that Luke's issue. Could submit a bug report and post a patch that has this behavior?

.hc

On Jun 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM, Matthew Logan wrote:

So it's not just XP then.  It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. 

Start-up of the program itself is no issue.  The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch.  It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package).  Now it takes 5 1/2 minutes ( I timed it just now).  Everytime I edit a section of it, things take a long time to regen as well.  I have some GOPs nested in other GOPs, so I was wondering if it had to do with that.  I can't think of anything in particular that might cause it, but his is what I'm experiencing. 

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Iannini <lukexipd@gmail.com> wrote:

Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac.

The app-generator is fantastic.  I've got quite a few patches designed
for just such a thing.

> - the GUI runs slower on some older Macs

It's definitely not just older Macs!  I've got a two month old Mac Pro
2.8x8 that takes 15 minutes to load one of my more complex patches (as
I mentioned in another thread).  I never timed it before this
development, but it was probably in the 1-2 minute range (which I
thought was long at the time :)).

I'll start going through the autobuilds to see if I can narrow down
when the loading issue began.

Other than that, I'm very happy.  Thanks for all your hard work as always.

Cheers
Luke

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@eds.org> wrote:
>
> For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and
> user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look
> that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots
> of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app.
> There has already been a lot of testing on these builds, so it is
> getting quite close to a final version. (Debian/PowerPC is missing
> now but will come later)
>
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>
> Here is a partial changelog:
>
> - next visual appearance designed for readability
>
> - default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc.
>  GNU/Linux:  /usr/local/lib/pd-externals and ~/pd-externals
>  Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd
>  Windows: %ProgramFiles%/Common Files/Pd and %UserProfile%/
> Application Data/Pd
>
> - lots of standard key bindings added:
>        Enter/Return for OK
>        Escape for Cancel
>        Ctrl/Cmd-W closes all windows
>        on Mac OS X, Cmd-` cycles thru open windows
>        on Mac OS X, Cmd-m minimizes windows
>        Ctrl/Cmd-R raises/lowers Pd window
>        Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-R shrinks/grows Pd window
>        Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-L clears Pd window's text console
>        Ctrl/Cmd-B opens the Help Browser
>
> - you can now use "~" in all paths to mean home folder, and on
> Windows you can use environment variables, lie %UserProfile% in paths
>
> - Cut/Copy/Paste now work directly into object and message boxes on
> all platforms
>
> - fixed Cut/Copy/Paste for the Pd window's console
>
> - [declare] and [import] now sorted out for loading (but much work
> needs to be done before there namespace support is complete)
>
> - "File -> Save As" defaults to the Home folder (~/) on Mac OSX
>
> - new patches default to the folder last saved in
>
> - included pgp_opengl aka 3dp on GNU/Linux and Mac OS X
>
> - 'hardware' and 'deprecated' removed from libraries loaded by default
>
> - On Debian/Ubuntu, the packages now install into /usr rather than /
> usr/local
>
> - On Mac OS X, you can now build "standalone" applications from the
> File menu.
>
> KNOWN BUGS
>
> - check http://puredata.info/dev/bugtracker before reporting bugs
>
> - Escape, Enter, and Ctrl/Cmd-W don't close the Path and Startup
> preferences
>
> - pdp_opengl is alpha and will definitely crash Pd
>
> - loading pdp_opengl will crash Pd if X11 is not open before trying
> to load it
>
> - the GUI runs slower on some older Macs
>
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