i'll chime in first -  as i am a new member of the list, and having trawled a fair number of discussion lists searching for material, i would say the PD list is kinder than most. i find the discussion on the list largely constructive (if not always relevant to my interests) with only an occasional sniping war starting up often based on someone's wording. lists are tricky things and writing doesn't always convey sarcasm or joking behavior effectively. thus someone gets offended  and the flame war ensues. whenever this happens all of our inboxes get stuffed with the petty bickering and soon requests for filtering or banning members can follow. 

so far, i have not seen anyone regularly posting on this list whose positive and constructive contributions did not far outweigh their occasional negative aspects. i haven't read any posts lately that i find insulting and regular enough to consider banning them. if it were so, i would certainly mention it or support a motion to ban them. if we are referring to Mathieu Bouchard you should be aware that a large portion of his work inspired the current GUI direction of PD-extended discussed on this list, from his original DesireData variant of PD. that is enough for me to give him some measure of leeway when he chooses to express displeasure at others on the list, although i did not agree with his viewpoint that HC was taking credit for work he didn't deserve. Mathieu seems to want to move PD forward as much as the rest of us based on what i've read, but as always there will be some differences as to the best way to do it while keeping the values of open source collaboration intact.

scott

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com> wrote:

Put far more clearly and effectively than I did. Thanks Jonathan.

On 2012-03-10, at 12:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm changing the subject so that a discussion about the change in tone
> of this list doesn't carry the unfair implication that it's due to one member.
>
> I don't see a problem complaining about the netiquette of a list member,
> but I just ask that it be clear, constructive criticism.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Dafydd Hughes <dafydd61@gmail.com>
>> To: ALAN BROOKER <alan.brooker2010@gmail.com>
>> Cc: mahatGma rabintrah <mahatgma@gmail.com>; pd-list@iem.at
>> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Is there a way to block/filter Mathieu ?
>>
>> Hey folks
>>
>> Maybe I'm out of touch here, or hypersensitive (I quit smoking far too
>> long ago for it to be that, but I can totally sympathize with those
>> for whom it's fresh - hell, I still miss it 15 years later)...
>>
>> As I understand it, if there are complaints about the behaviour of a
>> specific member of the list, the first step is to approach the list
>> administrators. Is this correct?
>>
>> And there are pretty widely accepted norms about language (I'm talking
>> about agressive langage and expletives here) on the list, too, even if
>> they're not written down, correct?
>>
>> I took a bit of a break (about a year and a half) from regularly
>> reading the pd-list while I completed some schooling. Since getting
>> back to following the list, I've noticed a big change in the tone. I
>> have to agree with Alan Brooker:
>>
>>> Overall, I think the tone of late has become too belligerent, lets get
>>> some good will together.
>>
>> Had the mood on pd-list been like this when I started with Pd, I
>> probably wouldn't have stuck around. Instead, I found it an incredibly
>> supportive, open and generous community. That's one of Pd's strengths,
>> isn't it?
>>
>> cheers
>> dafydd
>>
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