+1 form me. Thank you for being the test bunny on this and taking the time to gather our different viewports on how this could work. I am looking forward to some canvas widget reimplementation on iOS...
> On Mar 17, 2023, at 6:25 AM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote:
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 13:18:56 +0800
> From: Chris McCormick <chris(a)mccormick.cx <mailto:chris@mccormick.cx>>
> To: Giulio Moro <giuliomoro(a)yahoo.it <mailto:giuliomoro@yahoo.it>>, Pd-list <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-dev] A web frontend for Pd
> Message-ID: <ed039d5f-9a5e-4eb6-4cdd-8013f679e965(a)mccormick.cx <mailto:ed039d5f-9a5e-4eb6-4cdd-8013f679e965@mccormick.cx>>
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> On 17/3/23 5:02 am, Giulio Moro via Pd-dev wrote:
>> Here's something the Chair and Bela teams have been working on for a few
>> months: a proof-of-concept web interface to Pd.
>>
>> ?https://github.com/BelaPlatform/pure-data-web-GUI <https://github.com/BelaPlatform/pure-data-web-GUI>
>
> Amazing! Thank you for sharing this!
>
> Chris.
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danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/>
robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>
> From: Alexandre Torres Porres <porres(a)gmail.com>
> To: pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023 22:52:25 -0300
> Subject: [PD] [PD-announce] taking over completion-plugin and releasing
> version 0.48.0
> Hi, I forked completion-plugin and released an update (0.48.0), which is
> in deken.
>
> See https://github.com/porres/completion-plugin/releases/tag/v0.48.0
>
> cheers
>
Many thanks Alexandre, very useful for lazy and forgetful users like me!
It works like a charm on my PD 0.51.4 on Windows 10 laptop.
I already found some objects I didn't know existed :-)
Dario
Thanks for confirmation that this does indeed work. I took the liberty to add this info to mac/README.txt when the question comes up in the future:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/68dd3428d5f37fed32b94451fbeea… <https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/68dd3428d5f37fed32b94451fbeea…>
> On Mar 1, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote:
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 22:25:40 +0000
> From: Pierre Alexandre Tremblay <tremblap(a)gmail.com <mailto:tremblap@gmail.com>>
> Cc: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Attaching Xcode debugger
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> Ok I got it to work - there was on colon missing in the article, so here are my steps to make the downloaded Pd linkable to the debugger:
>
> 1) extract the current pd executable entitlements (don?t forget the colon before the path as this is an option to remove the blob)
>
> codesign -d /Applications/Pd-0.53-0.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd --entitlements :/tmp/pd-entitlement.xml
>
> 2) open /tmp/pd-entitlement.xml should start it in Xcode. Add this key to it and save
>
> <key>com.apple.security.get-task-allow</key>
> <true/>
>
> 3) replace the entitlement back with this code:
>
> codesign -s - --deep --force --options=runtime --entitlements /tmp/pd-entitlement.xml /Applications/Pd-0.53-0.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>
> Voil?! Link pd (not Pd) to your debugger and you?re as happy as me!
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ELSE 1.0-0 rc7 with Live Electronics Tutorial is out. These ELSE updates
are only happening this often to pair up with PlugData releases, which is
rocking hard (expect a PlugData release announcement soon) - btw, this
means I'm not really following my release plans towards a my release...
On breaking changes, I'm highlighting that I'm removing the recently added
support for pd-lua. It is still available in PlugData though! I couldn't
really get into it and Albert Graef is really active in its development. So
now plugdata users have to download it separately for vanilla, and yes, I
uploaded the latest version (0.11.6) to deken as well. I thought I could
maybe create my own pd-lua variant but I gave it up. I'd still like to
offer something like ofelia does, but it's way beyond my limits and way
down in my priorities. By the way, Albert also started porting ELSE to Purr
Data, check it out ==>
https://github.com/agraef/purr-data/releases/tag/2.19.2+ELSE
There are also many bug fixes and new features. Let me highlight that most
of my oscillators now have built-in "Soft Sync" capabilities! They can also
optionally take pitch in MIDI, which helps with exponential FM. As for new
objects, I'm including [beats~], a bpm detection based on aubio. Seb shader
also included a new [keycode] object that responds to computer keyboard
keys with layout independence and I'm using it for another object
([keymap]) that turns your computer keyboard into a MIDI keyboard input.
For last, I'm also including [plaits~], which is based on the PLAITS module
from Mutable Instruments. More clones from Mutable Instruments are coming
and I have to say I have big plans in 2023 to also design eurorack inspired
abstractions (like MAX's Beap and Automatonism). This should be a submodule
in ELSE and available in PlugData too, but will have its own name and
repository (it is called *Modular EuroRacks Dancing Along* *[M.E.R.D.A.]*).
I also have a new chapter in my tutorial about 'CV' (Control Voltage). So,
yeah, I'm going modular...
ELSE 1.0-0 RC7 is up on deken for Linux/mac/windows 64 bit versions. I'm
having issues building for raspberry pi (same for pd-lua) but can upload it
if someone helps me with that. Total number of objects is now 474 and total
number of examples in the tutorial is 498 (expect me to go beyond 475
objects and 500 examples in the next update). Here's a full changelog:
https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc7
If you've read this far, you probably care about this project of mine. May
I ask you then to consider supporting me on
PATREON --> https://www.patreon.com/porres?l=en
I promise to focus on issues and request from subscribers and this already
happened for this release, where I was able to improve [else/bicoeff]
thanks to 'Esa Ruoho'. I also promise to take motivation from patreon
support to keep collaborating to Pd Vanilla as well :) as in my tedious and
long revisions of the documentation and other stuff.
Cheers
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You were not unclear. I was trying to be clear that it's probably easier to built Pd yourself than to try to figure out changing entitlements files to trick Gatekeeper. It's not hard and I have to admit I am unwilling to try the linked trick for Supercollider (because I can already build Pd).
> On Feb 28, 2023, at 1:26 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote:
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> Cc: Pd-List <pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Attaching Xcode debugger
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> Thanks for these
>
> I was unclear - I?m trying to debug an external (all flags ok) to a downloaded version of Pd and this is where the sandboxing is freaking out lldb. In the article I pointed, they show how to modify the entitlements of the host, which I did successfully for a downloaded version of SuperCollider, but I don?t seem able to do this with the downloaded version of Pd...
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> On Feb 28, 2023, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> So we all know how Apple is sandboxing like hell.
Sure, but allowing *any* old program to be debugged / decompiled in realtime is not the best for security implications, at least Apple thinks so.
Your subject is a little misleading as the "Xcode debugger" is essential lldb. Xcode itself simply wraps lldb when debugging and provides a UI top interact with it. In fact, on a debug build crash in Xcode, you can enter lldb commands directly into the console, ie. "bt" will provide a backtrace directly.
> How do people attach a debugger to pd to do development?
"lldb" like "gdb"
For quick tests of a known crasher, I usually use:
make
cd bin
lldb pd
This will use the system Tcl/Tk which has had issues for years now, but is enough for quick testing.
For best testing, build the .app and invoke the pd binary inside it. For example:
make
make app
lldb Pd-0.53-2.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
Once lldb launches, you have to start the process:
process launch
When a crash happens, you can get the backtrace with "bt", change frames with "f #", and print variables via "v". If you have used gdb before, this is a helpful crib sheet:
https://lldb.llvm.org/use/map.html <https://lldb.llvm.org/use/map.html>
Note: If you are using a newer macOS system and want to *also* use a newer version of Tcl/Tk, build Wish.app first then use it to make the Pd .app bundle:
./macos/tcltk-wish.sh 8.6.12
produces a Wish-8.6.12.app. Next use it to build Pd .app with:
./mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12.app 0.53-2
Now you can change the C sources and rebuild with:
make
./mac/osx-app.sh -w Wish-8.6.12.app 0.53-2
> Do I have to recompile pd myself as the long winded detour?
If you want debugging symbols, yes. Fortunately it is relative easy to compile Pd so I don't consider it "long-winded." In fact, we have spent quite a bit of time to make this both possible *and* relatively easy. (See above.)
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@danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika>
danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/>
robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>
Hello
So we all know how Apple is sandboxing like hell. I have found this article which allows me to modify the entitlements for SuperCollider but the same procedure doesn’t work on Pd.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/69914876/why-xcode-can-not-attach-to-so…
How do people attach a debugger to pd to do development? Do I have to recompile pd myself as the long winded detour?
Any pointers welcome
p