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[PD-announce] 🎄 Ugly Patch Contest 2023 🎄 Call for submissions 🎄
by IOhannes m zmoelnig 22 Dec '22

22 Dec '22

Dear fellow patchers, (please distribute in your favorite peer-group, on discord, telegram, IRC, fb, twitter^Dmastodon, whatever) it's the time of the year where one reflects on their past achievements. A perfect time for reviewing patches you have written in 2023 (or 2012; or whenever). You might notice that would looked like a perfectly nice patch, is no longer digestible. You are not alone. So why not share your experience? I would therefore like to invite you to submit patches for the "Patch Beauty Competition 2023". https://discipline.puredata.info/upc2023 They tell us that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, so I'm looking for ugly patches instead. If you have any patches lying around that you are not proud of, please submit them. If you have any patches lying around that you *are* proud of, submit them nevertheless. The patches are going to be used in an online survey - the community decides. But fear not: patches are going to be anonymized, to the extend that it's no longer possible to guess their original function (or author). If you are interested (or not) please head over to https://discipline.puredata.info/upc2023 for instructions on how to send in patches. Cheers and a merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Hogswatch/Kwanzaa/Pancha Ganapati/Saturnalia/Winter solstice/Yalda/Yule or whatever you celebrate. gdras IOhannes _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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LV2 in Pd? - reprise
by Lorenzo Sutton 22 Dec '22

22 Dec '22

I'm sure this has come up a few times, but... I still do think that having and LV2 external for Pd (Linux) would be really useful for various reasons: - LV2 has now a nice ecosystem of plugins (both 'instruments' and effects) on Linux - LV2 non-DAW host landscape on Linux is relatively limited. The most usable host is Carla [1] which does have a set of limitations especially for more 'dynamic' / 'creative' stuff. - there is LADSPA and DSSI support but both are essentially dead / frozen by now - Pd does have VST support, but VST is a non-free standard and has a somewhat more limited ecosystem on Linux [*] - Most importantly: mixing Pd's flexibility with Audio (DSP) and/or MIDI programming and LV2 capabilities would be great and allow many interesting possibilities... I see there is still this page: https://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/PluginHostLV2 where LV2 is cited as "the new emerging standard for audio plugins" (sic.) [*] I'm wondering also if most of the Pd users' community is now on non-Linux platforms and therefore just happy to use VST therefore making something like LV2 (and by extension Linux) less relevant? Just thought it would be interesting to re-open this discussion. Cheers, Lorenzo [1] https://kx.studio/Applications:Carla

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Basic send historical issue 32 bits / 64 bits
by Jean-Marie Adrien 20 Dec '22

20 Dec '22

Hello list Upgrading some old historical patches I wrote twenty five years ago (yeah, some of you were not born!) with having two instances of PD extended 32 bits communicating with each other, via {netsend} and {netreceive} objects. The need was to send from one instance two the other a message in the classical form of a message with (label_name float float float …> structure It was done the following way in that time {pack s f f f f f f} -> {l2s} -> (send $1> -> {netsend} Make a package, convert in symbol, send to nestend via (send $1> argument of netsend Then in the other instance {netreceive} -> {route label1 label2 …}. -> {send label1} {send label2} etc Net receive output directly connected to route object with as argument any possible label Delivering as many send labelx objects further to the second pd instance Route accepted this format receiving from pd32 bits. Doesn’t work anymore. I’ve red somewhere that the type of objects in pd was historically a bit awkward in the view of Miller concerning lists and messages. Red again the old manuals, didn’t get it really better than 25 years ago, saw that something has changed in the past concerning the send object :) Could some one tell me what is the correct way to solve this basic and easy issue today, with a perfect style ? Need to have it work quickly :) See patch below ! Thanking you JM #N canvas 244 38 1124 706 12; #X obj 272 264 r outmess.local; #X msg 273 313 send \$1; #X obj 275 360 s \$0-localnetworkstatus; #X obj 274 337 netsend 1; #X obj 273 291 l2s; #X obj 90 277 r \$0-dureemontee; #X obj 106 301 r \$0-dureeplateau; #X obj 120 323 r \$0-dureedescente; #X obj 57 204 r \$0-vol; #X obj 53 226 t b f; #X obj 50 378 s outmess.local; #X obj 50 352 pack s f f f f 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1; #X msg 37 187 10; #X msg 51 251 notesalle; #X obj 485 256 netreceive 3000 1; #X obj 564 769 s notebips; #X obj 580 748 s rampdown; #X obj 597 725 s rampup; #X obj 613 701 s notevents_sl; #X obj 630 681 s notephone; #X obj 647 660 s notealarme; #X obj 663 639 s Bips; #X obj 680 616 s Phone; #X obj 697 594 s Alarme; #X obj 713 573 s Vents_sl; #X obj 730 550 s Poesies; #X obj 763 509 s Barre; #X obj 780 487 s notebarre; #X obj 797 467 s Cafe; #X obj 813 447 s notecafe; #X obj 830 426 s Cyber; #X obj 847 405 s notecyber; #X obj 863 385 s Salle; #X obj 882 363 s notesalle; #X obj 747 529 s notepoesie; #X obj 484 285 route notebips fade_out fade_in notevents_sl notephone notealarme Bips Phone Alarme Vents_sl Poesies notepoesie Barre notebarre Cafe notecafe Cyber notecyber Salle notesalle; #X connect 0 0 4 0; #X connect 1 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 2 0; #X connect 4 0 1 0; #X connect 5 0 11 2; #X connect 6 0 11 3; #X connect 7 0 11 4; #X connect 8 0 9 0; #X connect 9 0 13 0; #X connect 9 1 11 1; #X connect 11 0 10 0; #X connect 12 0 9 0; #X connect 13 0 11 0; #X connect 14 0 35 0; #X connect 35 0 15 0; #X connect 35 1 16 0; #X connect 35 2 17 0; #X connect 35 3 18 0; #X connect 35 4 19 0; #X connect 35 5 20 0; #X connect 35 6 21 0; #X connect 35 7 22 0; #X connect 35 8 23 0; #X connect 35 9 24 0; #X connect 35 10 25 0; #X connect 35 11 34 0; #X connect 35 12 26 0; #X connect 35 13 27 0; #X connect 35 14 28 0; #X connect 35 15 29 0; #X connect 35 16 30 0; #X connect 35 17 31 0; #X connect 35 18 32 0; #X connect 35 19 33 0;

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[PD-announce] New stable Pd-L2Ork release
by Ico Bukvic 19 Dec '22

19 Dec '22

Dear Colleagues and Friends, Another busy year has come to an end. L2Ork has continued to push the boundaries of its telematic infrastructure (L2Ork Tweeter), as well as its creative voice. Earlier this month we premiered a new EDM crowdsourced work titled "Transcontinental Grapevine" (see < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAurZNg6kVk>) that featured perfect sync among 11 performers over 5,000 miles apart, engaging both L2Orkists (located in Blacksburg, VA, USA), and collaborators from UNTREF, Buenos Aires, Argentina. We also promised big news on the Pd-L2Ork front. Today, following over a hundred silent releases over the past year, we are thrilled to share with you the latest stable release of Pd-L2Ork, version 20221218. The list below only highlights the most notable changes. For a complete list of updates, you may want to explore the following document: < https://github.com/.../blob/master/pd/src/pd-l2ork-TODO.txt> - K12 mode is back and better than ever. With over 70 abstractions designed for beginners that are also used by visual dataflow programming veterans, we have had students as young as 3rd grade who have never heard of Pd-L2Ork, design their first Wiimote-based musical instruments in as little as 30 minutes. - K12 mode can be now changed on-the-fly. No restarting of Pd-L2Ork necessary. Start-up flag is still there, as well (-k12). - Non-K12-mode, easy to access K12 menu abstractions. - True Graph-on-Parent drawing of objects that allows partial display and opens doors for a number of UI performance optimizations. - Intelligent toggling of editability of specific patches with dynamically updating menu options. - Expanded help browser with improved search options. - Customizable autocomplete. - Vastly improved redraw queuing and consequently performance of graphics-heavy widgets (e.g. arrays), while ensuring deterministic display of data. - Full support for legacy and Pd-L2Ork-specific data structures. - Out-of-box support of the latest Raspberry Pi GPIO and SPI (analog in) capabilities. - Out-of-box Sensel support. - Improved snap-to-grid option. - Refinements to the existing option to toggle curved patch cords. - New features, like toggling patch editabilty (e.g. to prevent beginners from accidentally entering the edit mode), graph-on-parent spill option, that allows for legacy spilling of elements outside the graph-on-parent bounds, ability to cut/copy/paste contents of atoms, including appending (shift+click), and a deterministic way to monitor for mouse releases (useful for gatoms and iemgui elements), scroll on patch cord extension (when the patch cord reaches the edge of the canvas), scroll-to-object when using the find option, zoomability using keyboard, as well as viewport zoom (e.g. using pinch gesture). - Many refinements and bugfixes to existing features, including the native HTML/CSS canvas drawing and object layering using SVG shapes (in Pd-L2Ork all objects, other than images, are drawn as SVG shapes, thus ensuring pristine appearance regardless the zoom level). - Proper OSX signing to ensure ability to use audio input and output. - Ability to open multiple patches within the existing instance of Pd-L2Ork, as well as an option to open them in separate instances (-unique flag). - Latest version of L2Ork Tweeter (including the server) included. Preview some of the included sessions created by Tweeter here: < https://l2ork.music.vt.edu/video/pd-l2ork-tweeter-demo-2022-12-19.mp4>. - Improved handling of preferences and expanded customizability of UI options. - Drag'n'drop patches onto the console. - Exciting new theme titled 60-hz (special thanks to Raphael Isdant for his idea and contributions) that is easier on your eyes in low light settings. - Integration of select vanilla Pd objects for maximum vanilla compatibility. More will happen in the coming year, now that the core is approaching parity with Pd-L2Ork 1.x (with tooltips and additional canvas options being two major remaining missing elements). So, yes, we will integrate those as they are stabilized, as well as update existing libraries to the latest version, where possible and appropriate. - Tons of extended GUI objects ported to nwjs (HTML/CSS/SVG canvas), including pddp library, most of cyclone (including the ability to edit text files), imagebang, vastly improved and customizable knob (now included in the Put menu), mknob, etc. - Further improvements to the ggee/image (a completely new object that covers features of all other image objects and adds tons of new features, enabling it to serve also as a 2D touch surface, as well as a transparent area for catching mouse events). - Inclusion of the js object that mimics the functionality of MaxMSP's object. - A number of installer build improvements to ensure that all platforms have access to as many of objects, as possible. You can download OSX (11 and newer), Raspbian (arm7), Ubuntu 20.04, and Windows installers from the usual place: https://bit.ly/pd-l2ork Happy Holidays! Best, Ico -- Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Director, Creativity + Innovation Director, Human-Centered Design iPhD Institute for Creativity, Arts, and Technology Virginia Tech Creative Technologies in Music School of Performing Arts – 0141 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 ico(a)vt.edu ci.icat.vt.edu l2ork.icat.vt.edu ico.bukvic.net _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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[PD-announce] ELSE 1.0-0 Releasead candidate #5 is out!
by Alexandre Torres Porres 16 Dec '22

16 Dec '22

Hi! I'm calling it a year and wrapping up a new update just to mark exactly one year of work since Dec 17, 2021, when I released the last beta version of ELSE. I'm finally slowing down. In 2021 there were 9 releases, which was relatively less. 2022 only has 5 and I could wait more for this 5th release candidate release which doesn't really have a lot and I got lots and lots of cool stuff in the oven. The main thing I have to offer now is a new [gendyn~] object that I've been having lots of fun with. Yes, this is that stochastic synthesis thingy based on Xenakis' stuff. I also added new table reader objects that can handle many interpolation methods and made nice addition and revisions to my tutorial specially about interpolation theory. See https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc5 for more details and a complete changelog (with breaking changes as usual). Current object count in ELSE is now 466 and the number of examples in the tutorial (with about 15 years of development now) has reached 492! Next month in 2023, ELSE completes 6 years and this is its 56th release amongst alpha/beta/release candidates! I hope to make a final release throughout the next year at last, with things hopefully stabilizing and slowing down even more so I can do other stuff :) A download with the main architectures is up in deken already! I'm keeping only the last 4 releases up there to save server space and since rc4 I am only uploading binaries for 64bit systems (you can download all releases and for other architectures in github - just give me a minute) Merry Xmas and a Happy new year! ps. allow me to also mention PlugData - https://github.com/plugdata-team/plugdata - a project by Tim Schoen that includes ELSE out of the box, has a MAX like interface and can also run as a plugin. Tim has been helping me a lot and also has a finger in some of the updates in ELSE. This update should be part of PlugData soon. _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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Re: [PD] Why sliders width changed?
by Dan Wilcox 16 Dec '22

16 Dec '22

Yeah, [nbx] ie. Number2 always slightly shorter in height, unless zoomed in so maybe due to rounding? I *think* this might be related to sizing the height to make the triangle on the left side fit better. I don't mind it, in some ways, as it also helps differentiate it from floatatom. > On Dec 16, 2022, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-request(a)lists.iem.at wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:03:05 +0100 > From: IOhannes m zm?lnig <zmoelnig(a)iem.at <mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at>> > To: pd-list(a)lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] Why sliders width changed? > Message-ID: <090c423d-fef8-89b8-e69b-8fbb587a82cb(a)iem.at <mailto:090c423d-fef8-89b8-e69b-8fbb587a82cb@iem.at>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > On 12/15/22 18:34, Jos? de Abreu wrote: >> interesting, so what is the relationship between the font size and the >> width? there is a formula? > > a formula is probably not so interesting. > > the logic for the iemgui sizes is, to make them appear at the same size > as "normal" objects. > that is: a hslider will have the same height as a [float] object (and a > vslider will have the same width as the hslider's height). > > i don't know why [nbx] is not exactly the same height as [float] or > gatom (but then: [float] and [gatom] don't have the same height either). > > fgd > IOhannes -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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[random] and seed value
by Thomas Mayer 16 Dec '22

16 Dec '22

Hello, currently [random] uses a fixed value for initialisation. This leads to the same sequence of values all the time. https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/c0cd34924a50bdd1cc37dfb6b01f9be… My guess is, that most users probably expect at least different seed values every time. Maybe the help file should explicitely state the behaviour or a different way for deriving the initial seed should be used, e.g. taking the local time. Or a better PRNG could be used as well. If we take the solution to initialize [random] with a different seed each time, an explanation on how to revert to the old behaviour of a seed value of 1489853723 should be mentioned in the help. I could tackle that, but would like a discussion about that before coding. Thanks, Thomas -- "Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance." (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://www.residuum.org/

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libpd 0.13.2
by Dan Wilcox 16 Dec '22

16 Dec '22

Howdy all, to follow on 0.53-1, libpd 0.13.2 is now available with the main update being... pd 0.53-1. :) https://github.com/libpd/libpd <https://github.com/libpd/libpd> -------- Dan Wilcox @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com/>

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Why sliders width changed?
by José de Abreu 15 Dec '22

15 Dec '22

Hey list, this is more of a curiosity question. Sliders used to have 128 of width, and with a default range of 0 to 127 it allowed the slider only to make "integers" as output. Now, new sliders have 170 of width and the same o to 127 range. Then each step isn't of size 1 anymore... So just for curiosity, why did this change?

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[PD-announce] pd 0.53-1 released
by Miller Puckette via Pd-announce 14 Dec '22

14 Dec '22

To Pd-announce: Pd version 0.53-1 is available from http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data I have access again to my old Mac so I was slao able to bring the macOS7 64- and 32-bit apps up to date. cheers Miller _______________________________________________ Pd-announce mailing list Pd-announce(a)lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce

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